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Poll: Todays question is (200 member(s) have cast votes)

How do you feel about the need to raid for playing pvp competetively?

  1. I love slaying dragons. (24 votes [12.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.00%

  2. Pros don't need gear to win. I'll stick with pvp gear. (67 votes [33.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.50%

  3. Hate raiding, but will do it anyways. (67 votes [33.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.50%

  4. Bye WoW, hello GW2! (42 votes [21.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.00%

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Thank you for adding pvp power to pvp weapons Blizzard. This change is huge and will make MoP PvP so much better!

Have a look: Malevolent Gladiator's Greatsword

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With the addon Mists of Pandaria a lot of hope has risen. The new stat PvP Power increases damage and healing done to players. The idea behind this is to make sure that PvP gear is better
for PvP than PvE gear, while also work as solid PvE starting gear. But there is one problem.

PvP weapons do not have PvP Power on them. As PvP gear has a lower ilvl than PvE gear upgraded normal mode weapons have a higher ilvl than PvP Tier 2 weapons. Let's take a closer look at the numbers.

PvP Gear
T1 weapons: ilvl489
T2 weapons: ilvl502

Mogu’shan Vaults
Normal mode: ilvl489
Hard mode: ilvl502

Heart of Fear & Terrace of Endless Springs
Normal mode: ilvl496
Normal mode with upgrades: 503
Hard mode: ilvl509
Hardmode with Upgrades: ilvl 516

Comparision of PvP and PvE weapons in detail

Not all of the numbers are perfectly clear at the moment, for example I could not find upgraded versions of the Mogu'shan Vaults loot. The upgrades are done with Valor points and the latest information I found on MMO Champion suggests that this will cost 300 Valor points for one of three possible upgrades. This information may be outdated, but the ilvls written above can be seen on wowhead and wowdb.

The game starts with the Mogu'Shan Vault raid and the  Heart of Fear as well as Terrace of Endless Springs will be added approximately one month later. Source

Which means four weeks into the season normal mode gear will be on par with T2 pvp weapons, that most players will barely have at that time. It probably will not take too long before a lot of players get their hands on the hardmode ilvl509 pve weapons and upgrade them to ilvl516, which is 14 ilvl and one socket better than the PvP elite ones. In other words - if you plan to play pvp competetively it's probably a good idea to look for a raid that clears hardmodes in a reasonable amount of time.

This problem could easily be solved if Blizzard would decide to put PvP Power on weapons. Of course healing is too high in pvp at the moment and needs some adjustment, but without PvP Power on weapons we will be forced to raid. Most really good weapons drop from the end bosses and these will take more time and wipes than Morchok or Yor'Shaj for sure, especially before the nerfs.

As Blizzard did not respond to this issues for many weeks now, I think it is time to get some attention towards it. Maybe I am wrong, so let me know, what you think.


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#1 Hendie

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 10:31 AM

My guess is that they have done it on purpose, just so that doing both pve/pvp still gives that little over only doing arena. Like it has always been.
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#2 Branket

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 10:31 AM

I saw this happening...
In the end everyone will have a legendary pve weapon as the procs and increased dps will be better than any pvp power

#3 Filovirus

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 10:42 AM

View PostHendie, on 31 July 2012 - 10:31 AM, said:

My guess is that they have done it on purpose, just so that doing both pve/pvp still gives that little edge of only doing one or the other.

What edge do you gain in PvE by playing arena exactly?

#4 frest

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 10:50 AM

dons sedel
mess with the best fuck the (f)rest :rogue:
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#5 Hendie

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 10:57 AM

View PostFilovirus, on 31 July 2012 - 10:42 AM, said:

What edge do you gain in PvE by playing arena exactly?

Nothing would you like me to re-word it for you ?
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#6 WildeHilde

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 11:00 AM

By the way, if you want to give more attention to this topic, I linked it in many places. A repost on the US official PvP forums would be nice.

The PvP Power dilemma on the official EU PvP forum
Das PvP Power Dilemma im deutschen PvP Forum (German)
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#7 Emoeritz

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 11:00 AM

If you're a dedicated raider you gain nothing from playing arena or PvP in general.
Vica versa PvE somehow feels mandatory as competitive PvP player, which is absolutely retarded...

I had high hopes when I first learned about the new stat PvP-power... sweet disappointment.
Maybe they'll change something pre release.

#8 Slimson

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 11:24 AM

im honestly having a hard time figuring out why im still paying for this unbelievable shit.. i find it pretty damn retarded that they spend so much time inventing a new stat to separate pvp from pve, and yet they decide to not use the stat for the most important items.. simply amazing

#9 Italist

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 11:35 AM

this

eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/5058955926

#10 Durial

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 12:04 PM

I think Blizzard are just fully retarded.
There's little more to it. The ideas, the solutions, the numbers, the math behind every piece of information presented to Blizzard in hope for change (for the better) they always manage to do the complete opposite & create more problems for everyone.

Blizzard doesn't listen to the public, their game isn't based on public feedback or community ideas, suggestions and thoughts, instead it's just what they decided amongst the well-experienced staff at work that day.

It's a pity :D If they listened to their customers who have the experience etc, then the game would be overall better for everyone.
But no, blizzard insists that if I want to have an advantage in the Arena, that I should be clearing their hardest challenges in-game while leaving myself with little of my own life.

I've never had a hardcore raiding guild and I don't plan to. Just because Blizzard decide that you should be rewarded more for having no life. Brilliant.

#11 ardnut

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 12:16 PM

LOL if they listened to the majority of their customers the game would be completely shit.  Most of them are mouth breathers who can't understand why they got beat, sometimes you just get outplayed.  Now if they listened to the sensible portions of the PVP player base then yes things would improve.  On this issue of PVP power on weapons it's an obvious choice.  If they don't do it they just want to force us to PVE.
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#12 Tsx

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 12:37 PM

There were also few seasons that it wasnt worth of using pve gear , if they make it that way then its good .

#13 aliexo

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 01:04 PM

If you want some more publicity posting it on mmo-champion aswell might help.

I know the site mostly consists of pve people, but if it's about attention surely it will be worth making that post.

#14 Claynz

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 01:07 PM

Nice pool of GW2 that shit is getting old....   wanna quit wow for GW2 be my guest.

Who knows how it will be with pve weps but i doubt it will be more retarded than what it currently is.

#15 WildeHilde

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 01:08 PM

You are right. AJ alone has not enough weight to force attention. I posted it there and hope it will get attention. The problem is to get permission to link stuff.

The post on MMO Champion: http://www.mmo-champ...aiding-required

#16 Snuggli

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 01:52 PM

When I first heard about the change and difference in iLevel, I decided it was time to get back into PvE. Just so I could have the competitive edge that everyone else always has from raiding. (Cunning, Vial, Legendaries, 2sets, Gurth).

I just wished that doing Arena made you better in Arena, and finishing raids made you better in raids. If PvP gear was used in PvE because it made you better, it'd be nerfed in a month. Now Blizzard are actually going through with a change that rewards using PvE gear in PvP. Dumb imo.

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Go listen to some Bieber shit and leave me alone fucko.

#17 Braindeadly

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 03:07 PM

mediums such as youtube videos seem to grab blizzards attention quite well but surely this is bug or not implemented yet?

#18 WildeHilde

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 03:21 PM

View PostBraindeadly, on 31 July 2012 - 03:07 PM, said:

mediums such as youtube videos seem to grab blizzards attention quite well but surely this is bug or not implemented yet?

My old computer is not really tailored for videos, but I would love if you would pick up the topic and make a video out of it.

#19 Jacktrapp3r

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 04:21 PM

Can you use valor points to upgrade the pvp gear also? i dont see any restrictions on that?

#20 Top

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 04:44 PM

[quote name='Braindeadly' timestamp='1343747238' post='3736922']
mediums such as youtube videos seem to grab blizzards attention quite well but surely this is bug or not implemented yet?
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They do but what kind of video are you supposed to make for this?  Some montage of Bloodmoon -> Stormherald -> Cataclysm's edge -> Warglaives -> Apolyon -> Betrayer of Humanity -> Val'anyr -> Shadowmourne -> Dragonwrath -> Fangs -> What terror lies next in the Pandarian Arena.

Ok that would be pretty cool.

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