Class statistics among high ranked teams.

[Synir]

Taken from the World of Ming blog (http://www.gameriot.com/blogs/World-of-Ming/SK-Gamings-New-ArenaPlayer-Stats-Reveals-A-Lot-About-Arena-Balance/), I was wondering what you guys thought about the demographics concerning class breakdowns in highly ranked teams in arenas.

For those too lazy to visit the link (although you should) here are the actual numbers:

Warrior: 20%
Priest: 17%
Warlock: 14%
Druid: 14%
Rogue: 12%
Mage: 10%
Hunter: 5%
Paladin: 5%
Shaman: 3%

Per spec:

Holy Paladin: 90.5%
Restoration Druid: 84.8%
WE Mage: 84%
MS Warrior: 80.8% (probably 100% if the spec list is long enough)
Marksman Hunter: 63.9%
Discipline Priest: 62.5%
Elemental Shaman: 50%
SL/SL Warlock: 47.7%
AR/Prep Rogue: 42.6%

Top compositions for each bracket:

2v2:

Warrior/Druid: 31.1%
Warlock/Druid: 18.9%
Rogue/Priest: 8.3%
Rogue/Warlock: 6.8%
Priest/Warlock: 5.3%
Rogue/Druid: 4.5%

3v3:

Rogue/Priest/Mage: 20%
Warrior/Warlock/Druid: 10%
Warrior/Priest/Druid: 8.3%
Rogue/Warlock/Druid: 6.7%
Rogue/Priest/Warlock: 5.8%
Warrior/Shaman/Druid: 3.3%

5v5:

Warrior/priest/paladin/shaman/warlock: 14.1%
Warrior/priest/paladin/shaman/mage: 12.8%
Warrior/priest/paladin/hunter/mage: 6.4%
Warrior/priest/paladin/hunter/warlock: 5.1%
Warrior/priest/paladin/hunter/shaman: 3.8%
Warrior/shaman/paladin/hunter/mage: 3.8%

Other than the absolutely lowest percentage overall (at 3%), it also looks like shamans are pretty much dead in 2v2, present only in (most likely turtle) 3v3 groups at the lowest percentage, and represented almost exclusively as elemental in 5v5.

Thoughts?

[Shizaman]

Resto shamans need a buff.

wtb hex that has 1 sec cast is a curse effect and polys target into toad for 4 seconds with no HP gain (break on damage).

[Frozan]

haha, yeah that would be nice, i run resto in all my arena's and i do fairly well, but i do agree that for the most part resto shams are pretty dead in 2s. only really acceptable with a warrior.
i roll with a rogue, it gets really challenging, but i get some fun out of it =D

[gatoja]

so shaman are the weakest arena class now that hunters got their big buff

THIS NEWS IS STUNNING!!!!!!!!


There have been numerous threads on what could be done to help shaman out.

Most issues center around mobility and the lack there of...and the lameness of totems. Removing names from totems would be a huge step in the right direction.

[Ainbar]

The only reason this data looks so bad for shaman is because it places 2v2 and 3v3 at the same importance as 5v5. Shaman are balanced in 5v5, and although I'd love to see us get more viable in 2s and 3s, 5v5 in the end is the only bracket that matters and I'm fine with it being the only one where shaman succeed.

[Grup]

Resto shaman aren't really balanced in 5v5, elemental, sure, but we all know nearly every top team runs pally/disc priest as their healers...it's not that we're particularly weak, it's that they're particularly strong, and by bringing an elemental shaman, they're getting everything a resto shaman would bring.

[Plaguefisted]

Resto shaman aren't really balanced in 5v5, elemental, sure, but we all know nearly every top team runs pally/disc priest as their healers...it's not that we're particularly weak, it's that they're particularly strong, and by bringing an elemental shaman, they're getting everything a resto shaman would bring.

except earthshield and manatide, come on now...

[Grup]

lolshield

I actually don't think resto shaman are that gimp in 5v5, but how many are used outside 4 DPS in the top 20 of Bloodlust? Any? There comes a point when we should demand to be as great as other classes or specs, not just "good". Every class has a right to demand that, really, and honestly, I think disc priests, hunter, non-destruction locks and MS warriors are the only ones without a legitimate claim for some kind of help in atleast one bracket.

[gatoja]

personally, I have always thought that they should give enhancement a boost and make enhancement shaman viable replacements for warriors.


But that would mean giving enhancement shaman-
mobility
making rage be nondispellable
make stormstrike give a healing debuff


it wont happen, but it would definitely diversify a big chunk of arena if enhancement shaman were viable options to warriors.

[Axxx]

Well, blizz has said their goal isn't to make every single tree viable in all areas of the game. Enhancement has it's place in PvE. Also blizz has a hard on for warriors, there will probably never be a "replacement", I'm pretty sure they're very happy with warriors being the number 1 class.


Resto is fine.... the number 1 5v5 in the world atm uses a resto shaman over a paladin. (hunter/lock/priest/druid/shaman)

There's also multiple 3v3 comps that resto shaman can do well in...Last season didn't GC get #1 on BG9 for 3's?

2's is alittle harder I'm sure...but Warlock/Shaman is a top end comp. Probably better than Warrior/Shaman.


If anything Elemental needs help. It's not viable in PvE and really only does well in 5v5.

[Plaguefisted]

Just to get this out of the way... Apena, shut the fuck up, your idiot, feral druid/ms warrior/resto shaman takes no skill to get to 2100? (which we did 3 weeks in) And yet you still dont have your shoulders and your a warlock... jealous we play broken ass setups and win while you play overpowered setups and fail?


PS: Normally I don't like to brag or be a douche, but if you saw the posts he made...yea

3v3 only thing resto is balanced for is TURTLE teams, yes GC did, TURTLE TEAM (2 healer, 1 warrior)... so your saying if we want to be balanced and do well we MUST find another healer and warrior and play 20min+ boring ass games all day?

5v5... as was said if you can fucking read, resto shamans only do well in 4 dps teams...

2v2 yea...

Elemental needs help? WHAT? (im collecting all the ele gear for 3s and 5s atm) - Maybe in 2s and 3s, but defiantly not 5s. Elemental is amazing in 5s.

Enhance, lawl in every bracket, and maybe blizz doesnt want to make every spec viable for pvp, but why not? Adds more flavor to the game, more strategies, mixes shit up... Im sick of seeing, rogue/(insert 1 of)frost mage,shadow priest, warlock or warrior/druid 2s and RPM 3s OVER AND OVER. Having everything more diversified would make the game more fun for all and its stupid idea not to do it that way.

[Axxx]

Just to get this out of the way... Apena, shut the fuck up, your idiot, feral druid/ms warrior/resto shaman takes no skill to get to 2100? (which we did 3 weeks in) And yet you still dont have your shoulders and your a warlock... jealous we play broken ass setups and win while you play overpowered setups and fail?


PS: Normally I don't like to brag or be a douche, but if you saw the posts he made...yea

3v3 only thing resto is balanced for is TURTLE teams, yes GC did, TURTLE TEAM (2 healer, 1 warrior)... so your saying if we want to be balanced and do well we MUST find another healer and warrior and play 20min+ boring ass games all day?

5v5... as was said if you can fucking read, resto shamans only do well in 4 dps teams...

2v2 yea...

Elemental needs help? WHAT? (im collecting all the ele gear for 3s and 5s atm) - Maybe in 2s and 3s, but defiantly not 5s. Elemental is amazing in 5s.

Enhance, lawl in every bracket, and maybe blizz doesnt want to make every spec viable for pvp, but why not? Adds more flavor to the game, more strategies, mixes shit up... Im sick of seeing, rogue/(insert 1 of)frost mage,shadow priest, warlock or warrior/druid 2s and RPM 3s OVER AND OVER. Having everything more diversified would make the game more fun for all and its stupid idea not to do it that way.



Sounds like you're the idiot.


Resto shaman do not only do well in 4DPS 5's LOL... Not even close.

MM Hunter/Felguard Lock/Disc Priest/R Druid/R Shaman? How the fuck is that anything close to 4 DPS? And it's the number 1 comp right now. How about Warriorx2/Disc Priest/Paladin/Shaman doesn't sound like 4DPS to me.

Who fucking cares if you have to play "turtle" comps for 3's???Resto is very good in 3's. (BTW you fucking moron Spriest/UA Lock/Resto Shaman is not a turtle comp and is free win vs. warrior comps). I got 2100 last season with Felguard Lock/Rogue/R. shaman in 1 week(last week of the season) and our shaman wasn't even good. Warrior/R. Shaman/Frost Mage or Warlock/Mage/Shaman those don't sound like turtle comps to me, and they can all get over 2200.



Maybe you should L2P?

[Axxx]

Elemental needs help? WHAT? (im collecting all the ele gear for 3s and 5s atm) - Maybe in 2s and 3s, but defiantly not 5s. Elemental is amazing in 5s.

Enhance, lawl in every bracket, and maybe blizz doesnt want to make every spec viable for pvp, but why not? Adds more flavor to the game, more strategies, mixes shit up... Im sick of seeing, rogue/(insert 1 of)frost mage,shadow priest, warlock or warrior/druid 2s and RPM 3s OVER AND OVER. Having everything more diversified would make the game more fun for all and its stupid idea not to do it that way.



Elemental DOES need help. Just because it's VERY strong in 5v5 doesn't mean it's fine. It's terrible for raiding, complete trash in 2's and pretty much dead in 3's.

And no, every spec should not be viable for everything, that would just be retarded, not to mention nearly impossible to balance.

[Trevarion]

Elemental DOES need help. Just because it's VERY strong in 5v5 doesn't mean it's fine. It's terrible for raiding, complete trash in 2's and pretty much dead in 3's.
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Elemental is fine for raiding, they get owned like any other class by destro locks and their 41 pointer is weak, but the rest is really not that bad.

[Plaguefisted]

Maybe you should L2edit? (L2insert retarded thing here is so overused...but I had to re-troll this scrub)

And 3 healer 5s = turtle team as well buddy...Oh and for your drain team that you listed, every GOOD drain team i know of uses a pally instead of a shaman in that line up.

AND DO YOU NOT KNOW HOW TO READ?... Theres a difference between warrior/rshaman/frost mage or warlock/mage/shaman then rshaman/warrior/feral druid... WE USE TWO BROKEN CLASSES, dumbfuck. How many rshamans were in the 3v3 turnys, ZERO, how many feral druids, ZERO. The classes you listed with rshamans are op, like frost mages and locks. Oh and 2100 first 3 weeks vs 2100 last week of season is a HUGE FUCKING DIFFERENCE... If you did so great with that combo why aren't you higher now?

Oh and if your elemental shaman suck in pve... They just suck or they have bad gear, our ele shaman does great on the dps charts.

[Cantis]

buff pallies imo
edit: 1 more thing...posted this before I read other posts but...resto shammies arnt only good in 4 dps setups

[Axxx]

Maybe you should L2edit? (L2insert retarded thing here is so overused...but I had to re-troll this scrub)

And 3 healer 5s = turtle team as well buddy...Oh and for your drain team that you listed, every GOOD drain team i know of uses a pally instead of a shaman in that line up.

AND DO YOU NOT KNOW HOW TO READ?... Theres a difference between warrior/rshaman/frost mage or warlock/mage/shaman then rshaman/warrior/feral druid... WE USE TWO BROKEN CLASSES, dumbfuck. How many rshamans were in the 3v3 turnys, ZERO, how many feral druids, ZERO. The classes you listed with rshamans are op, like frost mages and locks. Oh and 2100 first 3 weeks vs 2100 last week of season is a HUGE FUCKING DIFFERENCE... If you did so great with that combo why aren't you higher now?

Oh and if your elemental shaman suck in pve... They just suck or they have bad gear, our ele shaman does great on the dps charts.




LOL You are seriously a retard.

ELEMENTAL IS TERRIBLE FOR PVE, no one uses elemental shaman. It's down there with ret pallies and moonkin. To say elemental is good for PvE is like saying moonkin does great DPS.


You said that Resto shaman are only used on 4 DPS for 5v5, and I completely proved you wrong by listing comps that are the best for resto shaman in 5v5 and are THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE of 4 DPS. BTW you also said "every GOOD drain team i know of uses a pally instead of a shaman in that line up" LOL you fucking twit the NUMBER ONE 5v5 in the world right now runs that comp with a resto shaman and no pally, moron.

You said that resto shaman are only used on turtle teams for 3v3, and I proved you wrong AGAIN by listing burst comps that work great with resto shaman.


YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT...


Most of your posts are comparing my rating to yours??? LOL who fucking cares, the end of the season is a long ways away buddy I don't give a shit about rating right now. Most of the people I play with right now have never been above 1700 rating in any season, and I always bring the rating UP.
When the end of the season comes around I'll get gladiator again, and that's all that fucking matters. Too bad you can't say the same.

[Plaguefisted]

1) Sir, theres a difference between GOOD and can work... yes some people can make it work, but it doesn't mean its good...(feral druid/ms warrior/resto shaman...perfect example) PLEASE learn the difference... /sigh

2) Your the one who started being a jerk about ratings and team composition, so stop trying to make me sound like the asshole, you suck and you play an overpowered class and over powered lineups and do worse than me... And YOU CAME TO MY THREAD and started talking shit, SO STFU.

3) We just downed Kael last night (had a 2 month raiding break... holidays/finals/etc) for the first time and we had a ret pally and an elemental shaman in the raid, hah... Oh and our elemental shaman was top 5, and usually is on most bosses. Like I said, yours just must suck ass. Only reason elemental shaman are rare in PvE is becasue resto shamans in PvE are probably the best healers, and enhance are some of the best dpsers/grp buff dpsers.

Anyways I'm done with this...

[Porkmuffin]

Find a me a illidan guild that
1) doesn't use a elemental shaman or
2) does not won't one

And a side note its far more common to me to find elemental shamans in pve then even ench. Which I agree ench does scale much better group wise.

[gatoja]

Find a me a illidan guild that
1) doesn't use a elemental shaman or
2) does not won't one

And a side note its far more common to me to find elemental shamans in pve then even ench. Which I agree ench does scale much better group wise.

not on my server


the only shaman in the illidan guilds (4 of them) are resto or enhancement. To be honest, of the shaman I see on my server, which are fewer and fewer, there are rarely any elemental. I mean i know people who have elemental shaman alts, but thats about it. I am probably one of only a handful of elemental shaman mains.

And hell, even I am working on gearing up my warlock alt.

also-
ele shaman dps is pretty weak in comparison, all else being equal. An ele shaman needs to outgear his competition in order to compete. Which is lame.

[Porkmuffin]

not on my server


the only shaman in the illidan guilds (4 of them) are resto or enhancement. To be honest, of the shaman I see on my server, which are fewer and fewer, there are rarely any elemental. I mean i know people who have elemental shaman alts, but thats about it. I am probably one of only a handful of elemental shaman mains.

And hell, even I am working on gearing up my warlock alt.

also-
ele shaman dps is pretty weak in comparison, all else being equal. An ele shaman needs to outgear his competition in order to compete. Which is lame.

The 4 servers I have been on have all be opposite of that. They all want them. And ive seen one guild that took 2-3 a run. IDK why but they do.
Guild now on runetotem 1 resto shaman that never shows and 2 full time elemental. Just how it goes = o

[Axxx]

95% of Illidan guilds will not take an elemental shaman.

They bring next to nothing to the raid.

[Axxx]

1) Sir, theres a difference between GOOD and can work... yes some people can make it work, but it doesn't mean its good...(feral druid/ms warrior/resto shaman...perfect example) PLEASE learn the difference... /sigh





How is NUMBER 1 IN THE WORLD "making it work"???

[faction]

if you dislike horribly inaccurate theorycraft from a bad player who's convinced he knows everything, you should just completely ignore every apena post. thank me lter.

[Porkmuffin]

if you dislike horribly inaccurate theorycraft from a bad player who's convinced he knows everything, you should just completely ignore every apena post. thank me lter.

I approve

[Axxx]

if you dislike horribly inaccurate theorycraft from a bad player who's convinced he knows everything, you should just completely ignore every apena post. thank me lter.



Tell me one thing I have said in this thread that is incorrect... please.

[Meloz]

Tell me one thing I have said in this thread that is incorrect... please.

I havent read all your posts so i dont know if they are incorrect but you realy gota stop typing like this is the rant room or somthing,calling ppl morons and swearing at them just makes you look like a kid

[Limewire]

95% of Illidan guilds will not take an elemental shaman.

They bring next to nothing to the raid.
Incorrect.

[Tel]

<-- Shit PVPer.

However guild leader of an Illidan farming guild. Elemental Shamans bring nothing to a raid that resto don't do already.

They have their one trick totem, which doesnt make up for their subpar dps unfortunatly. thats about it.

glad i could help.

[Axxx]

Incorrect.



You're right, it's actually closer to about 99% but I was being nice.

[gatoja]

sorry, mathematically ele shaman are just sub par dps, all else being equal.

I mean it can work, there are elemental shaman who got glad in 3's last season (I did), but that does not mean that they are fine.


The point is, the exceptional does not equate to the norm.

[Mionee]

About the PvE part about Ele - having the 4 T6 elemental, illidan down for months, etc etc. -

You don't scale as well as a enhance sham, but, in pure theory :
4 casters + resto chaman + caster in a random group < 4 casters + ele shaman - plus the resto in a random group as well

Just by dropping the mighty -lol- ToW.
It's a very small upgrade though, your group will do 510% DPS instead of 500% of a single caster. Small upgrade, but still.

Bloodlust isn't even counted up, so yeah, Ele Sham is nice. Problem is, you don't have unlimited rooms in your roster. Do you really want 2-3 resto shams + enh sham + ele sham ?

Btw, this is arenajunkies, not EJ.

PvP : Yes Elemental needs a fix if we wish to make 3v3 or 2v2 a little more balanced. Though, I don't really care tbh.