Petition - Hunter Requirement reduction

[Realz]

Poor Hunters are bad in arena. Perhaps allow access 1900+ for the Hunter class only? It's not their fault mostly if they can't top 2000.

[Tyveris]

It's tough to say what the best thing to do here is. If we start making exceptions for hunters, then we open the door for well this BG is harder than this BG, warlocks should need 2200+, etc. The easiest way to do this is just say 2k cutoff, and hopefully blizzard will address class balance.

Even though hunters are not well represented in the top 10/20 teams in the world, there are still plenty of hunter who push over 2k in all brackets. Let's wait and see how the forum populates and if we really lack the viewpoints from hunters we can readdress the issue.

[Harmann]

It's not really that Hunters are bad in Arena. There's just a stigma and people typically don't seek them out. The name Huntard didn't originate out of nowhere.

[Podsednik]

Hunters are fine in 5v5 arena, they may be lacking in 2v2 and 3v3 but even with my alt hunter ive gotten over 1950 in 2's running with another alt priest, we also started an all alt 5v5 team aswell this week, and that is already upto 1930 rating.

[Harmann]

Once they can accept that their job isn't to deal damage, things start to improve. No class can keep a healer/team mate alive better and no class can apply such massive CC to the opposing team. Unlike other classes though, the person that requires aid needs to know how to help themselves as well. It's not as simple as just "oh haalp!" and you go sheep the guy... people need to be aware of the trap's position and all the other nuances that go along with it.

Personally, I've 2v2ed with: Frost Mage, Rogues of differing specs, Warlocks and a Hunter. None of them hold a candle to the Hunter in terms of keeping me safe.

I bet Hunter + Shaman would work pretty well. Same idea as Priest; you've got a healer that can get rid of BoF. They can Ghost Wolf kite very effectively... I'd probably wear the level 60 PvP boots if I were a Shaman on this team. Main issue here is they can't always keep the Hunter free if the team decides to go for him. Having a Poison cleanse is very big though, it's usually the Rogues that are hardest to escape -- I end up having to use Mind Control to get them off him. You'd be lacking Mana Burn, but a Hunter can get that job done anyway, just takes longer.

Druid should work too I'd think. You can't get rid of BoF, but you can Cyclone/Bash/Scattershot through the new 14s duration easily. Roots + Cyclone + Feral Charge + Bash + Maim (maybe) to get people off the Hunter... they'll definitely be giving up on the Druid.

[Arashikage]

blizzcon 5v5 tournament was won by a team with a hunter. Fact.

Hunters are very useful and not underpowered in 5v5, IF the team, that uses a hunter have a clue, and build their game strategy around him. Hunter can block warrior`s dps better than mage, with his slowing frost trap. And drain mana like a priest with his scorpid pet, that prevents dispelling of viper sting.

Hunter is not really dpser, like priest is not really a healer.


PS:
In 2v2 situation team with hunter is a joke, (like any non warlock+random team). But I doubt that petitions will help. Blizzard does not listen to community.

[Harmann]

Many Hunters hit Gladiator in 2s with a Priest partner. Takes 5-10 minutes to win any games, but it's very dependable.

We broke 2k after not much work and should be well on our way to Gladiator in the 2s bracket. Hunters are very strong.

And yes... Hunter is to DPS as Priest is to healer. Good analogy.

[Kcolraw]

maybe use geekboys and make it top 150 of every class or something

[Nn]

Hunter/Priest in 2v2 is a very interesting combo and can be used to utilize burning the opposing team's mana easily.

[kyoshi]

hunter/druid is dangerous as well

[Osse]

Even when fighting against 400 resilience targets its very doable to get 2000 in every bracket. Just might require a bit more skill than certain other classes. ;)

Ps. I havent played 2v2 for like four weeks as there's just no point for me to do so.

[Beretta]

well, in my experience as a hunter i find that whilst hunter CAN compete, playing on my paladin alt is beyond easy in comparison to get high rating, I hardly have to try compared to the perfect play I need on my hunter.

Hunter is definately weaker, but then again, a good hunter stands out more than a good paladin, so its all good.

[Zexyl]

Hunters can wreck face, especially against 4 dps teams in 5v5 :x

[Rhaegyn]

I'd actually love to have a hunter in my 5v5, it's just that finding a skilled one is much more difficult than for other classes for some reason.

[Hexagon]

Once they can accept that their job isn't to deal damage, things start to improve.

My responsibilities in 5v5 are as follows:

#1 DPS
#2 Traps
#3 Viper Sting

That's it, that's all. Things will start to improve when the huntard embraces his natural instinct to kill.

On a side note, I earned gladiator in 2v2 with a shadow priest. We ended at 2322 rating in bg6.

[theradol]

i dont think the requirements for hunters should be lowered.

i can usually take a team from 1500 to 1900 in a day, 2v2 or 3v3

hunters have disadvantages for sure, but i think 2000 is still a fair limit.

I'd say let blizzard worry about balancing the classes, even if they are slow(and bad) at it.

edit- oh, i am a hunter too btw. I am in no way saying that hunters aren't terribly underpowered in arenas.

[Megatf]

i dont think the requirements for hunters should be lowered.

i can usually take a team from 1500 to 1900 in a day, 2v2 or 3v3

hunters have disadvantages for sure, but i think 2000 is still a fair limit.

I'd say let blizzard worry about balancing the classes, even if they are slow(and bad) at it.

edit- oh, i am a hunter too btw. I am in no way saying that hunters aren't terribly underpowered in arenas.

I had a 2100+ rated 2v2 team that I sold for some gold for me and my priest friend.

We have a new 2v2 team that I made this afternoon, in one day and numerous breaks we're at over 50 wins and 7 losses (Dumb losses but we made up for it) and my new team is already at 2077.

We were cockblocked at the 2100 rating for a long time because we had to takes 3 steps forward and 2 steps backwards because we didn't know how to beat Resto Druid / SL Warlocks. Now we can beat them 100% of the time and it's pretty stupid easy in the 2000+ ratings. Double DPS teams are a joke, rogue/druid teams are like 70/30 for us, warrior/paladin is becoming easier as we've developed new strategies in playing them.

If you have the correct gear, your skilled, you win a LOT more matchups. My team loses to Warrior/Druid 100% of the time only and we're currently working on ways to counter that and thats our only really terrible matchup. Give me any other 2v2 combo that only has trouble with one matchup?

[gleamscythe]

yeah this is doable. I've been 2k+ in all 3 brackets this season and am approaching 2200 with a resto druid in 2v2. So it's a challenge but i'd say leave the requirement and pray blizzard hits us with a buff or something.

[Arashikage]

Just imagine, how cool will you become, when you will be the only hunter with s3 weapon on your realm.

[Osse]

Well the aspect of viper buff is a good start against teams with 140+ ilvl gear so they dont outlast me and my team mates in 3v3. :/

[Pacer]

This shouldn't be too necessary. 2000 is not that high of a rating at all, even for a hunter to achieve. Partnering with a priest for 2s, or a frost mage & priest for 3s should easily carry you to 2000. For 5v5, our most viable bracket, with a decent team it should not be the easiest out of the three and the recommended route to 2000 if you cannot make it from 2s or 3s.

[Tanix]

I bet Hunter + Shaman would work pretty well. Same idea as Priest; you've got a healer that can get rid of BoF. They can Ghost Wolf kite very effectively... I'd probably wear the level 60 PvP boots if I were a Shaman on this team. Main issue here is they can't always keep the Hunter free if the team decides to go for him. Having a Poison cleanse is very big though, it's usually the Rogues that are hardest to escape -- I end up having to use Mind Control to get them off him. You'd be lacking Mana Burn, but a Hunter can get that job done anyway, just takes longer.



Hunter/Shaman works somewhat. We have extreme problems with warrior/healer. The priest/hunter works far better simply because any melee dps pretty much has to go after the priest or spend a good part of the fight mind controlled, leaving the hunter to dps freely. With shaman meleers just get on the hunter while thier healer los kites, I go oom before their healer does.

Also the mage/rogue teams have a much easier time locking a shaman up compared to a priest. One good CS or full duration poly usually means my hunter is dead.

Then of course there is the lock healer groups which come up 50/50 depending how much pole dancing we can stop.

That pretty much covers just about every team we see now.

[Airwavez]

Poor Hunters are bad in arena. Perhaps allow access 1900+ for the Hunter class only? It's not their fault mostly if they can't top 2000.

The Hunter class is not "bad" by any means. Just slightly gimped in arena. Nonetheless, a team can still rank top 10 with a competent Hunter. It all depends on how you play it.

As for your petition, I do not support it.


It's not their fault mostly if they can't top 2000

You're right. If the Hunter is a solid player, it's probably his team's fault.

[Crisp]

what makes hunter's viper sting so powerful is that it's a fire and forget ability. All other mana draining spells require casts or channeling, so the hunter can viper sting AND dps. Many hunters do not realize this.