Spriest/Rogue vs. Druid/Warrior

[Ruste]

This is probably the HARDEST comp for our team. We have completely no idea how to deal with it. ANY INSIGHT would be greatly appreciated.

PS: Ar/Prep needs the biggest nerf this game has ever seen. 2 vanish, 2 sprint my ass.

[Knok]

15 second intercept that stuns for 3 secs you QQ about sprint? Here's a hint, grab a keyboard, wrap face in bubble wrap, smash face on keyboard. I hear druid warrior is HARD GUYZ?

[Redemption(Gankt)]

Shadow Priest/Rogue is a pretty hard counter to it, but what you need to do is keep them both Hamstrung, Intercept either one every time it is up, and protect yourself and your Druid.
This won't guarantee you any wins, far from it in fact, but it will give you a shot at a win and that's all you can really hope for.

[Ruste]

Shadow Priest/Rogue is a pretty hard counter to it, but what you need to do is keep them both Hamstrung, Intercept either one every time it is up, and protect yourself and your Druid.
This won't guarantee you any wins, far from it in fact, but it will give you a shot at a win and that's all you can really hope for.

Yeah, I intercept and hamstring the rogue whenever I can so my druid can get away. But there is always one instance where the rogue gets my druid low and the slowed spriest comes wandering over and mind flay+SW:death my druid. It's gg from there.

[Alphatier]

This is the arenajunkies forum, not the official wow forum. Would you please mind your language.
(both Ruste and Knok

Greetz,
Alphatier

[koroshi]

This is the arenajunkies forum, not the official wow forum. Would you please mind your language.
(both Ruste and Knok

Greetz,
Alphatier

It's hard not to burn with acrimony when druid/warrior complains about anything.

[Alphatier]

It's hard not to burn with acrimony when druid/warrior complains about anything.

Shadowpriest/Rogue is their counter-comp, deal with it.

[Fexy]

15 second intercept that stuns for 3 secs you QQ about sprint? Here's a hint, grab a keyboard, wrap face in bubble wrap, smash face on keyboard. I hear druid warrior is HARD GUYZ?

undead ar/prep rogue - maces also.

talking about someone else being easy mode?

[Landsoul]

how to beat: get on the spriest asap pummel health return thingy. Do some DPS until

either
1 druid comes out to heal you because you cant solo a Spriest
rogue gets on druid and you intercept the rogue because the smart druid is near you. druid cyclones priest. disarm rogue. Lawl no stuns. druid runs away rogue blows sprint/evasion. intercept priest after cyclone is done and hamstring. druid runs the rogue around in circles and you intervene the druid!

2 rogue comes out on you because you kick SPriest tail! Druid cyclones rogue. You kick Spriest ass! rogue trinkets. druid entangles rogue. You kick Spriest ass with OP hots! rogue CLos blows cooldowns and junk and gets on druid you intercept stunn and disarm. lawl no stunz!

Basically its a battle of cooldown use and proper warrior-druid movement to stay in LOS of eachother at the right times and out of LOS of the shadowpriest at the right times. the rogue will either be stunned, slowed, disarmed, entangled, or cycloned at the right times and the priest either has the warrior on him or has to run into LOS to do any DPS at all.

Based on these factors either the rogue or the priest will die first and its usually GG from there if the warrior and druid are still alive

[anubis]

how to beat: get on the spriest asap pummel health return thingy. Do some DPS until

either
1 druid comes out to heal you because you cant solo a Spriest
rogue gets on druid and you intercept the rogue because the smart druid is near you. druid cyclones priest. disarm rogue. Lawl no stuns. druid runs away rogue blows sprint/evasion. intercept priest after cyclone is done and hamstring. druid runs the rogue around in circles and you intervene the druid!

2 rogue comes out on you because you kick SPriest tail! Druid cyclones rogue. You kick Spriest ass! rogue trinkets. druid entangles rogue. You kick Spriest ass with OP hots! rogue CLos blows cooldowns and junk and gets on druid you intercept stunn and disarm. lawl no stunz!

Basically its a battle of cooldown use and proper warrior-druid movement to stay in LOS of eachother at the right times and out of LOS of the shadowpriest at the right times. the rogue will either be stunned, slowed, disarmed, entangled, or cycloned at the right times and the priest either has the warrior on him or has to run into LOS to do any DPS at all.

Based on these factors either the rogue or the priest will die first and its usually GG from there if the warrior and druid are still alive



If any of that ever accually happens, the rogue/spriest are fail.

[Tyveris]

If any of that ever accually happens, the rogue/spriest are fail.
Thats all you can do when outmatched though. Try to execute to perfection and hope the other team makes a mistake. This is 2v2 =/

[anubis]

Thats all you can do when outmatched though. Try to execute to perfection and hope the other team makes a mistake. This is 2v2 =/

There is no question spriest/rogue trumps druid/war but the advice he gave was absolutly horrid.

Pummel health return thingy? Sorry... that can't be pummeled.

I'm not even going to get into the rest of what he says, because it all makes just as much sense as the "Pummel health return thingy" statement.

[Ruste]

There is no question spriest/rogue trumps druid/war but the advice he gave was absolutly horrid.

Pummel health return thingy? Sorry... that can't be pummeled.

I'm not even going to get into the rest of what he says, because it all makes just as much sense as the "Pummel health return thingy" statement.
Agreed.

[Landsoul]

Vampiric something, the very important spell that increases the longevity of the Spriest team? You are saying that can't be pummelled?

[anubis]

The "health return thingy" you're refering to is Vaimpiric Embrace which is an instant cast that cannot be pummeled. Generally you need to know what you're talking about before giving advice.

[inkline]

He obviously meant Vampiric Touch that returns mana which indirectly returns health.

Obviously.

[anubis]

Well he OBVIOUSLY thought vamp touch was the spell that allowed priests to regen health through shadow damage.


OBVIOUSLY.

[facebiter]

hey, against this setup you want to try slow the priest with piercing howl or hamstring(if you can) so your druid can kite away from the priests aoe fear, also when you get kidney shot, get the druid to cyclone the priest. The druid needs to be able to predict when the priest is gona do burst damage on you so he can cyclone it.

[Landsoul]

yeah vampiric embrace. The thing you guys cast always before you try to do mind blast. Its an integral part of keeping SP longevity around and it generally needs to be up for the Spriest to last long. Stopping it for the first little while at least gets you that much a head start, no? Even then you can do a bit of damage that way to the priest in effect soloing him beore the stealthers decide to get on their targets and start their cycles (rogue and druid). Good warrior vs good SPriest in a duel usually run 50/50, yet the warrior can tip in his favor due to chance.

Im not retarded, I just give retarded advice because I dont exactly know exactly what im talking about. I guess thats what I get for playing the same class for 3 years and nothing else.

Mostly try to keep the Spriest slowed and LOS and communicate with your druid about what interrputs and debuffs are going where and what target switches are occuring and who uses what cooldowns when. That way you can use your best judgement on positioning and cooldown use to try and win the game off the seat of your pants.

[anubis]

Okay first, you can't pummel vamp embrace, It's instant cast... so you're not going to be stopping it even for just a little while. I'm not sure why you keep saying you can.

Second, I don't know what shadow priests you play against but 1v1 war/spriest I'm always going to win givin full cooldowns unless I disconnect or something. (although since 2.3 the fight is much closer)

Third, 95% of the time you're never going to even touch me unless you use intercept (in which case the rest of your spriest/rogue vs war/druid theory is thrown completely off)

My rogue will always get the sap on you leaving me free to vamp touch, sw:p, and get off a full mind blast shadow word death combo and you'll be sitting around 60% health before you even get within 20 yards of me.

Unless of course you use beserker rage... regardless which ever way the fight starts out the whole thing is heavily favored for the spriest/rogue.

Your advice sucked because you never once mentioned using a shield, which is really the only hope a war/druid team can have is to outlast the burst of spriest/rogue.

I don't know what spriest/rogue teams you've fought but if your druid has time to cyclown then the other team isn't putting nearly enough pressure on you especially if you're not using a shield.

[goodolarchie]

Its a tough matchup, but I'd rather fight this than ar/prep + sl lock. LOS and range screws this team a lot more and the fears are so easily avoidable. We'd usually swap demo shouts for heals then back to bear form and do our best to pull the rogue out of stealth. I wouldn't get sapped, that's horrible. Druid can safely F.charge the priests casts because any shadow interrupt will prevent psy-scream. Get the rogue out of stealth and keep the rogue out of stealth. The biggest issue, and obviously smart sp/rogue teams will exploit any moment of weakness... is kidney shot and blind. You both have to be smart about trinket usage, LOS, intervenes, demo/PH's to stop the rogue. Survive the rogues 2x vanishes, sprints, and CloS and it's easy. After which he'll probably use evasion and that's when its time to CC.

A lot of times it just comes down to the map and your positioning, lucky imp hamstring or blackout procs for them. Team is quite survivable though.

BTW /focus the priest and spell reflect any think you can't pummel/SB, especially MB+SW:D

[Drudkh]

Its a tough matchup, but I'd rather fight this than ar/prep + sl lock. LOS and range screws this team a lot more and the fears are so easily avoidable. We'd usually swap demo shouts for heals then back to bear form and do our best to pull the rogue out of stealth. I wouldn't get sapped, that's horrible. Druid can safely F.charge the priests casts because any shadow interrupt will prevent psy-scream. Get the rogue out of stealth and keep the rogue out of stealth. The biggest issue, and obviously smart sp/rogue teams will exploit any moment of weakness... is kidney shot and blind. You both have to be smart about trinket usage, LOS, intervenes, demo/PH's to stop the rogue. Survive the rogues 2x vanishes, sprints, and CloS and it's easy. After which he'll probably use evasion and that's when its time to CC.

A lot of times it just comes down to the map and your positioning, lucky imp hamstring or blackout procs for them. Team is quite survivable though.

BTW /focus the priest and spell reflect any think you can't pummel/SB, especially MB+SW:D

I think the matchup is a lot harder than you are making it out to be. A good spriest/rogue team goes:

hey, let's let our spriest and your war 1v1:

at this point the druid has 2 options:

get out and heal early (when war is between 90% and 70%) or go heal at the last second...when war is at 50%-30%. If the druid waits too long, the rogue hops on the warrior and then the warrior will most likely die. If the druid pops out to heal when both priest and warrior are above half health the rogue stunlocks the druid and the druid has to take all the stuns like a bitch or else gets blind/sap/fear BECAUSE THE PRIEST IS SMART AND DOESN'T DOT THE DRUID.

in this way the spriest/rogue team can dps 2 targets at once AND prevent heals from going on, which totally owns the war/druid team.

[Ridzik]

If the spriest does 1on1 the warrior at the beginning pop out early and have your warrior intervene you asap, demo shout spamming afterwards. The rogue cannot get an opener on you for the next 10 seconds. Actually thats one of the best starts you can get vs spriest/rogue.

[Drudkh]

If the spriest does 1on1 the warrior at the beginning pop out early and have your warrior intervene you asap, demo shout spamming afterwards. The rogue cannot get an opener on you for the next 10 seconds. Actually thats one of the best starts you can get vs spriest/rogue.

Okay, so according to this strat, you pop out early and heal the warrior who runs away from the priest, so he hasn't done much damage to the priest. So you heal your war and the priest doesn't follow and they can essentially reset the fight, and you have to restealth before the rogue gets you. It's a fine strat, but doesn't solve many problems.

The point is, as soon as the rogue gets on you, it will be impossible to heal and the spriest/rogue team will be doing a lot of damage to multiple targets.

I don't have a huge amount of experience but in my opinion if the spriest/rogue play well they will win every time.

[buena]

From spriest rogue perspective, I (rogue) switch targets quite often, while my spriest just dots and dispells the warrior while limping towards the druid. Our objective is to either catch the druid with a fear or DPS it enough that it must trinket kidney shot. Once either of these things happen we run a blind/silence chain and drop the warrior.

Teams have tried killing me, they have tried killing my spriest, they have tried staying d stance the whole time and outlasting our mana. None of them worked. An spriest sitting there stacking dots on VT and VE isn't going to go oom before a druid needing to spam lifebloom and abolish because they're getting dispelled.

The one team that consistantly beat us had some kind of robot warrior who piercing howled me instantly every time I broke a snare. I couldn't catch up to the druid so we never got our chains off.

[Ridzik]

forget about the druid. the druid is oom before the spriest is if you stay on the warrior given he is no dwarf. nuff said.

catch him while stealthed or leave him entirely (only silence, fear, blind him). this might change with the slight HARP nerf but right now it works.