entrapment vs imp wing clip

[canadianbacon]

hello ladies and gents. just thought i would pick your brains for a minute.

^ in regards to a hunter+holy/disc priest drainteam situation.

i currently have adopted Hamchooks spec 0/42/19(3pts entrapment,1pt imp WC) with hopes of adopting Megatfs spec,(1pt entrapment,3pts imp WC) once i achieve +5%hit from gear, because im frustrated with my scorpid being forever kited.

3/3 entrapment seems like more of a roll of the dice. 3/3 imp WC seems to allows you more control by giving you the option of spamming until a proc is achieved.

do any of you find yourselves spamming WC hoping for a proc while aiding your priest in the LoS pillar/tomb chase game? and if this is the case is rank1WC>rank3WC?

/discuss, if you please

[canadianbacon]

for reasons unclear to me i made a double post and then erased the wrong one and i have no idea how to recover the good post and delete the bad post. this is what i get for staying up all night reading AJ trying to pick up on some hints. the core components of what i was hoping to have answered still remain in this thread however.

[Critickle]

both imo, and if not both then entrapment. it always procs atleast twice when walking through a frost trap.

[Tehprogamer]

I've tried every spec at least 10 times it would seem. I do like hamchooks spec quite a bit, however I also like my current spec. I highly recommend getting 3/3 wingclip as well as 3/3 entrapment. I'm running the same team as you and control is VERY important. An entrapment proc or imp wingclip proc helps to stick their healer in place to give my priest an extra second or so to unload a manaburn. It also is very VERY important to be able to control the enemy DPS! ESPECIALLY FILTHY HEMO ROGUES >_<. But We've actually haven't had a REAL tough time vs Rogue teams. Frost trap + wingclip keeps them off my priest quite well. I also am rocking 3/3 surefooted + 5% snare meta + surefooted enchant. 25% passive chance to not be snared and immobilized to me is ftw ^_^. I love when mages pop that key nova just to its effect resisted. Makes me go ---> :).

[Peck]

I'm not sure how much its changed since 2.3, as I haven't been able to play my hunter for 8 months since he was banned, but I can tell you this...

I've played rogue/hunter/druid at endgame, and to this day there is no talent that I LOVED more than entrapment. If I still had my hunter there is no way I would ever be able to go without this talent, and that's a fact... nonetheless I can't consider myself a hunter Guru anymore since I haven't played mine in the better part of a year.

[canadianbacon]

after sleeping on it i came to the conclusion that entrapment is more appropriate for 5v5s because there will be a much larger volume of traffic, like the BE arena bridge for example.

but since reading your responses, your absolutely right. both are needed because i have to create as many opportunities as possible for my priest to be mana burning and to help dumb down their offensive pressure in general.

im gonna have to crunch a few numbers and move some points around. im gonna go fiddle with a talent calculater. thanks for the help

[Osse]

Both.

[Etzuo]

i give up one point in humanoid slaying and 2% health to get 3/3 wingclip and 2/3 entrapment.

i hate respec'ing for 2's/5's so this way its somewhat satisfying both. i do love 3/3 wingclip for 2v2 as most of the time there's somthing within reach when kiting around a pole. having wingclip 3/3 also allows you to make use of Mark+trap+faerie fire. instead of using a frost trap.
2/3 in entrapment is still good for either those double dps teams and even the mass clutch procs in 5v5.

[Foureleven]

for 2v2 i would use both at the cost of survialist.

[Sciurus]

both imo, and if not both then entrapment. it always procs atleast twice when walking through a frost trap.

Unless you happen to be me, and the RNG hates you.

The only time entrapment ever procs is when I walk through another hunter's frost trap :(

[Ijanaak]

Hamchook is a fucking retard, heh. 3/3 Wing Clip and 1/3 Entrapment if pressed. Main reason being that the frost traps are at least doing something anyway, but if you actually run in to wing clip someone, you need that proc as often as possible as fast as possible.

EDIT: And yeah... I spam wing clip to a point, if my shot cooldowns are down or I'm out of los of my drain target or something I'll spam wing clip. I don't chase - always try and do something productive, and chasing druids all over isn't productive.

Also, if you can spare it, Beastial Swiftness helps the scorpid to be not "forever kited"

[Megatf]

For 2v2 anyone suggesting "both" or "3/3 Entrapment" is wrong. Hell, I don't even use 3/3 Entrapment for 3v3.

Entrapment is nearly useless in 2v2. Freeze traps are much more powerful, significantly, to the point where it's a once a blue moon situation when I use a frost trap. Shit, I got a million video's under my belt, I can fall asleep with a half naked priest/druid and wake up with a 2000 rating. The new 2v2 I just joined broke 8th in a week with a Rogue and me as DPS and a Priest healer. (Going old school)

I have 1 point in Entrapment for obvious reasons to get that possible "lucky" proc(I even used a variation which put that 1/3 point from entrapment back into Humanoid Slaying, I'll probably spec it later again today, it's just habit to respec into it), but Improved Wing Clip is significantly more beneficial to use in 2v2 considering it does not have a 30 Second Cooldown, and can be used whenever an enemy target is in melee range.

Especially in the 11/41/9 spec. Bad advice flows around here like whoa, the first reply had a warlock tell you both =/.

[Plops aka pewpewlazers]

What mega said.

3/3 Imp WC is VASTLY more important than entrapment for 2v2, and I'd even go so far as to say it's significantly more usefull for 3v3 as well, due to how mobile the fights tend to be and how often you can find an oppurtunity to WC.

I would say 3/3 entrapment has a slight edge for 5v5 for most hunter comps, especially those that lack warrior control (aka no mage for poly spam). The reason I continue to do 3/3 entrap and 1/3 imp wc is simply because I am far too a.) lazy and b.) poor to respec constantly :)