Dwarf vs Gnome.

[Maplestory]

I'm still undecided of which I would go, and in the other thread there is no clear opinion that people have agreed upon. Everytime I think I'm going to go gnome for sure, I think about dwarf and how good it is. Still every melee partner I've played with has said EA is pretty damn good, but so is SF if it means ripping a rogue or mirror DK. What do you guys think as of now? I'm probably going to go BS/JC as well.

[Fayde]

They are good in different situations. In my opinion, there is no way to know for sure before we get excessive statistics on which classes are dominant in high rated arenas.

If Death Knights and Rogues are dominant (Like Warriors, Druids and Rogues were PRE-3.0), Dwarf will be better.
If they are not, Gnome will be the better choice.

I'm going Gnome because in my opinion it is all around better. In every arena match you play you will be able to get some use out of Escape Artist, unless the opposing team consists of classes that don't have any snares or roots (very rare).
Dwarf will mostly only be good if you meet a Death Knight team or a Rogue team, but when you do, Stoneform will have a greater impact on the game than Escape Artist would against say a mage or druid team.

[Dynimight]

^ I agree. I'm actually still not sure if I'm rolling gnome or dwarf :(

[Vlada]

Dwarf might be a slightly better but really you will find both racials situational. One is better for one comp other for other so at the end it's same. Tho I find dwarves ugly :p

[Maelfurion]

So EA can break: Frost Novas, roots, Frost traps (for 1-2 sec i tjhink), rogue poisons but 80% of the times, itll be reapplied. 1.45min CD

SF: immune to rogue poison slow for 8sec (good against crippling and wound), own another DK if its not a dwarf. 10% armor increase. immnune to bleed for 8sec. 3min CD

I think Im gonna go dwarf...I dont have anything against other players playing a gnome but I CANT stand being so small...I think dwarfs for me..

[Maplestory]

So EA can break: Frost Novas, roots, Frost traps (for 1-2 sec i tjhink), rogue poisons but 80% of the times, itll be reapplied. 1.45min CD

SF: immune to rogue poison slow for 8sec (good against crippling and wound), own another DK if its not a dwarf. 10% armor increase. immnune to bleed for 8sec. 3min CD

I think Im gonna go dwarf...I dont have anything against other players playing a gnome but I CANT stand being so small...I think dwarfs for me..

1.75 minute CD for EA

[Gormoth]

Tho I find dwarves ugly :p

I haven't been Alliance since WoW vanilla opened, but I always felt Gnomes were a weenie race to be. Dwarf would be my choice. You look like a mini tank running around in plate as a Dwarf.

[Devias]

I don't understand how people think stoneform is autowin against other DK's. It's nice, but its not hard to CoI / bloodboil / desecrate kite them, utilize EA if your gnome if they snare you and keep running, if they use deathgrip just pop AMZ. I'm not going to argue that its amazing against rogues though, it especially gibs mutilate rogues since they are doing 1/2 yellow damage and they cant kite you.

As said in this thread though, EA will be used more universally than stoneform and will have a better impact against almost everything except rogues and is probably the better choice imo.

[Vlada]

I haven't been Alliance since WoW vanilla opened, but I always felt Gnomes were a weenie race to be. Dwarf would be my choice. You look like a mini tank running around in plate as a Dwarf.

female gnome with pink hair is the shit man

[puredps]

dwarf fo sure

who the fk wants to run around as a gnome.

[juventino_hero]

They are good in different situations. In my opinion, there is no way to know for sure before we get excessive statistics on which classes are dominant in high rated arenas.

If Death Knights and Rogues are dominant (Like Warriors, Druids and Rogues were PRE-3.0), Dwarf will be better.
If they are not, Gnome will be the better choice.

I'm going Gnome because in my opinion it is all around better. In every arena match you play you will be able to get some use out of Escape Artist, unless the opposing team consists of classes that don't have any snares or roots (very rare).
Dwarf will mostly only be good if you meet a Death Knight team or a Rogue team, but when you do, Stoneform will have a greater impact on the game than Escape Artist would against say a mage or druid team.

couldnt have put it better myself. 10/10!

[Arcturus]

dwarf fo sure

who the fk wants to run around as a gnome.

Me! this is as close to a Gnome Hunter as i'll get :)

[Maelfurion]

Me! this is as close to a Gnome Hunter as i'll get :)

LOL. pink ponytail ftw.

Dwarfs look pretty good in plate and stuff. plus, they do well against rogues/DKs which will be really common in arenas. so i guess you cant go wrong with dwarfs, or gnomes.

I think only time will tell. and since im not gonna wait 2-3 months, before i decide, im just gonna go dwarf.

(the idea of being the only female dwarf DK on the server tickles my fancy)

[juventino_hero]

* Dorf vs Noam, L2spell! :)

[volcanicfox]

dwarf, most game breaking racial since rogues are still going to be the most common in 2 dps setups, getting the wound/crip off will definitely help you more than a snare/root dispel

[Maplestory]

I've decided on gnome. The reason being is that everyone that has played a DK on beta has claimed the BIGGEST weakness to the class is getting kited. Don't get me wrong I love being a dwarf even on my hunter, but when it comes to one of the biggest weaknesses of this class I think I'll go gnome.

[Steamboat]

what will I hate myself for more. Looking like poop, or not having escape artist?

[Deccard]

I've decided on gnome. The reason being is that everyone that has played a DK on beta has claimed the BIGGEST weakness to the class is getting kited.You're correct about that weakness thing, but EA is in no way sufficient enough. As a rogue you can combine it with other tools and overcome kiting better. That's not the case for DKs. Just my opinion :)

[Jrmint]

I've decided on gnome. The reason being is that everyone that has played a DK on beta has claimed the BIGGEST weakness to the class is getting kited. Don't get me wrong I love being a dwarf even on my hunter, but when it comes to one of the biggest weaknesses of this class I think I'll go gnome.

exactly why I am rolling gnome. If being small really really bothers you, there is always model changers that you cna use to make urself a human or w/e you want to see your character as. With the addition of the gnome mohawk hair style I was sold going gnome. Getting kited always agrivated me more than being stunned so I think that EA is the best racial for me.

[Abeyance]

You're correct about that weakness thing, but EA is in no way sufficient enough. As a rogue you can combine it with other tools and overcome kiting better. That's not the case for DKs. Just my opinion :)

Couldn't the same thing have been argued for Warriors, yet Gnome was supposed to be the best pre-3.0 Warrior race for Alliance?

[Tist]

Couldn't the same thing have been argued for Warriors, yet Gnome was supposed to be the best pre-3.0 Warrior race for Alliance?

warriors also have spamstring...

[Abeyance]

warriors also have spamstring...

True, but it seems to me that EA is decent in the sense that something is better than nothing. No, it isn't going to completely erase the DK's weakness, but it might help? Stoneform is nice too I can see that, and arguably a stronger racial though it doesn't address DK weaknesses as much as EA.

[Guntt]

dwarf is great... if you are fighting rogues and DKs. otherwise a pretty wasted racial.

EA vs shatters, any roots/snares will be king in the end.

[Tist]

I don't see stoneform being as useful as you all think.

The class that got the most use out of it in BC was priest, and that was basically a survival mechanism. How much more survival does a dk really need?

[Abeyance]

I don't see stoneform being as useful as you all think.

The class that got the most use out of it in BC was priest, and that was basically a survival mechanism. How much more survival does a dk really need?

It is a great racial for anybody who is severely weakened by being trained (Priest/Hunter/Paladin/etc), which is why I don't consider so great for a DK.

[DeArHeLL]

isnt human better with such racial? you can have 2 trinkets

[juventino_hero]

i like the idea of human, but it is kind of like Orc vs undead. Sure, with orc you will have a little bit more damage, BUT, you will lsoe out on a game-breaking mechanic (wotf/EA) that WILL win you matches.

[Abeyance]

i like the idea of human, but it is kind of like Orc vs undead. Sure, with orc you will have a little bit more damage, BUT, you will lsoe out on a game-breaking mechanic (wotf/EA) that WILL win you matches.

Pretty much sums it up. Human and Orc give you increased DPS which, don't get me wrong, is good. But it rarely constant pressure that wins a matchup (though this may not be the case), it is often sudden changes that swing the course of an Arena match and turn the tide. Human and Orc do not give this sort of sudden "tide-turning" ability in the way that EA and WotF and even SF do.

[juventino_hero]

sent to me by a mate of mine who doesant have a AJ account:

Kaivan-Stonemaul - Why does everyone completely forget how hunter mechanics work right now, for those who dont remeber blizzard introduced a new system (basically the only arena viable one now) for hunters based on stings (chimera shot) the dwarf stonemaul can remove a LARGE portion of burst from chimera shot (easily game breaking) or negate the 10 second disarm effect if you time it right (see hunter not cced see scorpid sting on your debuffs, beat the GCD and you save your ass for 10 seconds) rogues and death knights arent the only ones viable for stoneform resistance, the 10% armor isnt so bad either with bladed armor it even includes a slight attack power buff (more than likely relatively negligble but still effective) removes BLEED if you guys dont remeber thats a great portion of warrior and rogue dps (sup rupture and deep wounds/envenom on plate) I've noted that warriors get cocky with thier dots, seeing an enemy with deep wounds ticking and 300 hp left has caused them to target swap early more than once in arenas, stoneforming them off could be more than gamebreaking if they think youre dead and wondering why the 2 on the players alive screen hasnt changed yet.

Tl;dr stoneform counters (respectable amount) (bleeds) (disease) (blocks poisons bleeds which means no envenom and rupture, main sources of rogue dps vs heavy plate.)

pretty good point he makes i reckon. Dodging a 10 second disarm is a pretty gamebreaking skill right there.

[Maplestory]

sent to me by a mate of mine who doesant have a AJ account:



pretty good point he makes i reckon. Dodging a 10 second disarm is a pretty gamebreaking skill right there.
sorry hunters suck.

[juventino_hero]

sorry hunters suck.

lol, while since i, like you, played a hunter all tbc, im well aware of the situation, hence, the DK re-rollin :P

But he still makes a valid point. And the fact that hunters are weaker than DK's doesant mean that a hunter team wont ever beat a DK, and the ability to be able to dodge a disarm is still pretty fucking big.....

[Maelfurion]

lol, while since i, like you, played a hunter all tbc, im well aware of the situation, hence, the DK re-rollin :P

But still makes a valid point. And the fact that hunters are weaker than DK's doesant mean that a hunter team wont ever beat a DK, and the ability to be able to dodge a disarm is still pretty fucking big.....

well said...

[Kanukami]

What about Human?

Just read the previous page.

I guess I can see why Gnome or Dwarf would be better then a Human. Out of those two, I would easily role a Gnome. EA is usable against far more classes then Stoneform.

But, I rather have an extra trinket for dips. yayayay

[Abeyance]

What about Human?

Just read the previous page.

I guess I can see why Gnome or Dwarf would be better then a Human. Out of those two, I would easily role a Gnome. EA is usable against far more classes then Stoneform.

But, I rather have an extra trinket for dips. yayayay

Extra trinket will probably not break open an arena match in the way that EA or SF will.