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masors
10-07-2008, 08:30 AM
From the past seasons, have there usually been more or less gladiators then the estimated cutoff? Thanks.

Locklolol
10-07-2008, 10:29 AM
IIRC

S2 it was almost dead on
S3 there were more Glad's than listed

tysopz
10-07-2008, 11:53 AM
s3 was ALOT more gladiators than listed on blackout at least, cutoff in 3s was at like 2150 and aj calculator said 2250.

looks like glad this season going to be even easier than last, at least that's what i've been hearing. thought it was going to be like 2250 (2s) so havent played but now im going to find someone to play with and dedicated a day or two of the weekend to game hardcore and try to get close to 2200 and see if it's enough

faze09
10-07-2008, 07:22 PM
I think what happened was that the AJ calculator said there were approx 50% inactive teams in each bracket while in reality there might have been only 35-40%.

Tyveris
10-07-2008, 07:30 PM
I think what happened was that the AJ calculator said there were approx 50% inactive teams in each bracket while in reality there might have been only 35-40%.
In reality, something went wrong and no one knows because they never released s3 hall of fame. That means this time, who knows where the cutoff will be. The current calculator gives you some approximation, but we can't know if it will be right or wrong because last season is unknown.

Awsume
10-08-2008, 03:31 AM
its hard to calculate atm aswell i would imagine, because SOOOO much pr was sold this season all over, including 2200's those teams for the most of it are inactive now, yet alot of the people that baught pr, kept the team for looks or w/e. so itll be kinda rough to guesstimate

Usually safe bet is look at AJ Calc + shoot higher, by like 50~ rating

Davidson
10-09-2008, 01:12 AM
In reality, something went wrong and no one knows because they never released s3 hall of fame. That means this time, who knows where the cutoff will be. The current calculator gives you some approximation, but we can't know if it will be right or wrong because last season is unknown.

Nothing went wrong, the in-game and character armory page rankings already filter out inactive teams. There will again be over 200 gladiator teams in 2v2 on multiple battlegroups.

Dint
10-09-2008, 01:48 AM
From my understanding...

Last season AJ assumed the in-game rankings did not factor in inactive teams, so they took it upon themselves to factor out inactive teams.

Now, it is proven that in-game rank does in fact take into account inactive teams, so the reason for AJ thinking there was going to be less gladiators last season was because they factored out inactive teams twice (one that the in-game rank already does, and their own factorization).

So now that it is known that in-game rank does in fact factor inactive teams, the title calculators are 100% correct. It makes perfect sense...

The lowest team rank shows how many active teams, multiply by 0.5%, that will show how many gladiators, check your in-game rank -> collect title.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is zero reason that the calculator estimates aren't 100% accurate. Unless of course the lowest team is not infact the lowest team, but really how many lower teams could their possibly be? Looking at my BG, there are ~40,000 teams, even if there are 1,000 extra teams below the lowest team recorded (very unlikely), there is very little change anyway.

40,000 * .5% = 200 glad teams
41,000 * .5% = 205 glad teams

So really, the calculators should be extremely accurate, if not dead on.

Dint
10-09-2008, 01:49 AM
I also believe in season 2 AJ did not factor out inactive teams and the estimates where almost dead on.

The only error in estimates came in season 3 when AJ factored out inactive teams.

Morcan
10-09-2008, 03:44 AM
Just for clarication:

This season, the numbers are correct, BUT do not forget that armory still takes inactive teams into account.

If you really want to know, where exactly you are, just do the following steps:

1. simply do some work and count all inactive teams in the armory, that have a higher rating than the last estimated glad.

2. add that number to the total number of the estimated glads. Just repeat step 1 from the old to the new cutoff.

3. Repeat this until there are noch inactives left. There is the "real" cutoff.

Here ist an example of my realmpool

129 estimated glads + ~ 25 inactives form 1-129 = 154 glads
154 + ~ 5 inactives from 130 - 154 = 159 glads
159 + ~ 1 inactives from 155 - 159 = 160 glads.
no inacitves left.

So at this point, armoryranking 160 is equal to an ingameranking of 129, which means there area 31 inactive teams that are taken into account in the armory.

nibbs
10-09-2008, 04:12 AM
I also believe in season 2 AJ did not factor out inactive teams and the estimates where almost dead on.

The only error in estimates came in season 3 when AJ factored out inactive teams.

there wasnt an issue with PR and shit in s2, people sold points, not rating and you only needed like 20% of the games played to get the title

KhaZmo
10-09-2008, 10:14 AM
does the trend really go down in 5on5s?
from season1 to season3 the trend always went up in numbers of arenateams.
now s3 and s4 compared, there is only a half or third of 5on5 teams at almost every realmpool.

Examples#1(US-Bloodlust):
S3 about 13-14k 5on5 teams
S4 about 5k 5on5 teams

Examples#2(EU-Blutdurst):
S3 about 14-15k 5on5 teams
S4 about 3k 5on5 teams

Or arent the lowest teams found yet ?