Title Estimates Cut in Half

[Malacothdai]

On the title calculator page it assumes all teams are active.

http://www.arenajunkies.com/calculator/

Looking at previous seasons about half of the total teams are active. So when estimating should we only take half of the estimated gladiator cutoff?

[Kadrix]

Our estimates last season were higher than they actually turned out to be, so I wouldn't try and guesstimate a flat percentage of inactives.

[Malacothdai]

Our estimates last season were higher than they actually turned out to be, so I wouldn't try and guesstimate a flat percentage of inactives.

If I understand you correctly then AJ is estimating 223 2v2 teams & 89 3v3 teams in US Bloodlust. Did Blizzard change their formula or did the # of teams playing just grow tremendously from when I played my lock in bg9 in season 2?

[Dante]

I'd guess the number of teams playing did double if not more since s2 I dunno at least feels like that on my bg, but I r EU so no one prolly cares lol

[Kadrix]

It's most likely a lot less than that Malacoth, but we don't currently have an accurate way of figuring out how many teams are inactive, aside from manually finding them on armory, which is quite difficult since armory cuts off at something like 5000 teams for each bracket.

[nubmadri]

well, isn't it common knowledge that blizzard messed up titles in s3? assuming they were calculated "right" (0.5% of active teams), AJ's s3 estimates would have had to be miscalculated badly. i don't think this is likely since AJ in season 2 was pretty damn close. using ~40% active team estimates, AJ came very close to the actual cuts for s2 at least for # of gladiators (rating obviously shifts a bunch in the last few days), but in s3 they were off by 100+ rating and many many spots in a lot of bgs. given blizzard's history of end of season screwups and the fact that s3 hall of fame is still not up (LOL COVERUP), i still think it'd be nice to have estimates based on 40% estimates. whether or not anybody cares enough anymore to actually calculate it out though remains to be seen D:

[Kadrix]

well, isn't it common knowledge that blizzard messed up titles in s3?

It's not really common knowledge per-say, as no one has any way to prove that blizzard did or did not mess up the title calculations, which may be why they haven't released the Hall of Fame for S3.

[Malacothdai]

well, isn't it common knowledge that blizzard messed up titles in s3? assuming they were calculated "right" (0.5% of active teams), AJ's s3 estimates would have had to be miscalculated badly. i don't think this is likely since AJ in season 2 was pretty damn close. using ~40% active team estimates, AJ came very close to the actual cuts for s2 at least for # of gladiators (rating obviously shifts a bunch in the last few days), but in s3 they were off by 100+ rating and many many spots in a lot of bgs. given blizzard's history of end of season screwups and the fact that s3 hall of fame is still not up (LOL COVERUP), i still think it'd be nice to have estimates based on 40% estimates. whether or not anybody cares enough anymore to actually calculate it out though remains to be seen D:


so i need to take the AJ tool #'s & cut it by 40%? i'm just trying to estimate to see if I can get my new orc lock gladiator. he's still got some blues lol, but we're sitting @ 1900 in 3s with triple deeps. i think if my reroll priest & i can grind out the rest of s2 we could make a push to 2150-2200. i'm just unsure if that will get it.

[Aronnax]

I'm going to wait until tomorrow to see what the ingame rank tells me, I'm still not 100% sure if it counts inactives or not.

[nubmadri]

in-game rank is rank among ACTIVE teams. however, the rank you see when you look at your bg's list of top teams is TOTAL teams, since teams ahead of you on the sorted list might be empty teams. from what i can gather, the current AJ numbers (and Kad can correct me if im wrong) are based on total number of ALL teams (active + inactive) multiplied by 0.005, so you'd actually have to multiply that number again by maybe 0.5ish (back in s2 AJ did a lot of sampling and came up with something like 40-50% of all teams inactive) and then look up your in-game rank tomorrow and see how you compare, or manually check every team above you and scratch off inactive teams

[Kadrix]

As far as I know yes, our calculations include inactive teams. Tyveris will be in shortly to say I'm wrong if that's the case, but to the best of my knowledge we haven't put in any form of sifting measure for inactive teams.

[Wickler]

As far as I know yes, our calculations include inactive teams. Tyveris will be in shortly to say I'm wrong if that's the case, but to the best of my knowledge we haven't put in any form of sifting measure for inactive teams.

I'm hoping to get a good answer to help everyone tomorrow once I see if my predictions are correct in determining inactivity + in game ranking.

[Kqpro]

in-game rank is rank among ACTIVE teams.

ranked as 9th in game:

http://www.wowarmory.com/team-info.xml?r=Auchindoun&ts=3&t=nidoe+n+two+cutiepies&select=nidoe+n+two+cutiepies&fl=1

no one is on the team.

[Adori]

ranked as 9th in game:

http://www.wowarmory.com/team-info.xml?r=Auchindoun&ts=3&t=nidoe+n+two+cutiepies&select=nidoe+n+two+cutiepies&fl=1

no one is on the team.


Armory ranks having nothing to do with in game ranks... inactive teams are filtered out in game and are not ranked.

[Wickler]

ranked as 9th in game:

http://www.wowarmory.com/team-info.xml?r=Auchindoun&ts=3&t=nidoe+n+two+cutiepies&select=nidoe+n+two+cutiepies&fl=1

no one is on the team.
shutup please

Yes that means last week, if there was someone on that team within the PR, the team will be ranked from last week. Whoever is on that team can leave that team and that team will still be ranked for the remaining part of the week is my speculation. This "Should" change after armory is updated today with the new week of rankings.

[Malacothdai]

my armory rank & live rank aren't the same.

[Wickler]

my armory rank & live rank aren't the same.

Right because Armory has all the inactive teams ahead of you, when they are inactive.

The in-game ranking has inactive teams removed ahead of ya.

[Katizforfite]

Right because Armory has all the inactive teams ahead of you, when they are inactive.

The in-game ranking has inactive teams removed ahead of ya.


So hypothetically lets say you are 50th in 2v2 in armory, in game you would be probably something like 35-45th right? Since in game it removes the in active teams in front of you. However the armory "lags" if you will. My team rating shows as 37th yet when I check the ladder itself, it is 27th.

Edit:

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Antonidas&n=Drmoo

Yet when you click on my 3v3 and then click on the helmet icon, I show up 27th in line with like 11 inactive teams in front of me. So hypothetically I should be like 16th?

[Katizforfite]

Also, is my shaman eligible for a title? I know he's within 100 PR but not 20% of my total games played on the team. Paladin is 100 pr within and more than 20%.


Does my shaman actually make our team ineligible for a title?

How does all of that workout?

[Wickler]

So hypothetically lets say you are 50th in 2v2 in armory, in game you would be probably something like 35-45th right? Since in game it removes the in active teams in front of you. However the armory "lags" if you will. My team rating shows as 37th yet when I check the ladder itself, it is 27th.

Edit:

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Antonidas&n=Drmoo

Yet when you click on my 3v3 and then click on the helmet icon, I show up 27th in line with like 11 inactive teams in front of me. So hypothetically I should be like 16th?

Right, let's see what happens when the armory updates. Remember this is only speculation on how the system works, this isn't a full on correct way of proving it.

It shows you had a ranking of 37 of "Last Week" and that helmet/hover over the team ranking.

Armory has you ranked 27th since you went 6-0 this week on your 3s and you have a player within 100 PR. If you counted 11 inactive teams in front of you, then yea you should be rank 16th upcoming today when everything updates. If not, then my system wasn't correct and blizzard has an unknown system they want to make public to us.

[Wickler]

Also, is my shaman eligible for a title? I know he's within 100 PR but not 20% of my total games played on the team. Paladin is 100 pr within and more than 20%.


Does my shaman actually make our team ineligible for a title?

How does all of that workout?

Ya I think you need 20% of the total team games played and 100 within PR for end of the season rewards. That answer has been posted everywhere in stickies.

[Katizforfite]

Sorry I guess I'm confused. Is that just for him? Or does it apply to my whole team now?

[Wickler]

Just the player, not the team.

[Katizforfite]

Just the player, not the team.

Thanks. I think we're going to have to play games regardless, I want to try to help my shaman get it as well.

What really ticks me is the last 8 points we played for were against a team that I know was in the top 5-8 earlier in the season. So I went from 2041-2049 haha.

[nubmadri]

ranked as 9th in game:

http://www.wowarmory.com/team-info.x...cutiepies&fl=1

no one is on the team.
shutup please

you dont seem to understand how in-game ranks and armory ranks are different, so maybe you should take your attitude elsewhere instead of blindly raging at helpful comments

PS grats on gladiator on a completely dead battlegroup that was pretty bad already before everybody transferred off of it

[Locklolol]

This cracks me up:

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/5769/61376431zx0.jpg


What happened to 93 - 96? I guess if you count the teams it makes up for the "missing" numbers, but instead of ranking someone higher or lower they just give every1 @ the same rating the highest ranking :P

Then again...its all confusing. Only 3 88s but a bunch of 77s? Haha xD

[Kqpro]

PS grats on gladiator on a completely dead battlegroup that was pretty bad already before everybody transferred off of it

YourPrettyMuchDumb. mad cuz you can't get glad on a decent bg other than BGbad-retal?(which you have been on for the past 2 seasons for ezmode Glad).
bad=bad

[Whiteshadow]

YourPrettyMuchDumb. mad cuz you can't get glad on a decent bg other than BGbad-retal?(which you have been on for the past 2 seasons for ezmode Glad).
bad=bad

Himadri(Afks) is currently on bg9 with a 2200ish 2s and 2132 3s in under a week of transferring, nice try though. He will more than likely snag gladiator with us.



Anyway, with the new inactive calculation done by Wickleer for the ruin bg, I think the cutoff on most bgs should be a bit lower than stated on AJ. I am hoping 2201 is enough for glad in 2s. I really don't want to play another game in that broken bracket.

[nubmadri]

YourPrettyMuchDumb. mad cuz you can't get glad on a decent bg other than BGbad-retal?(which you have been on for the past 2 seasons for ezmode Glad).
bad=bad

S2 Duelist Kqpro

[Crayne]

points per week is 150 off of the team i wonder if its the same for titles? i didnt read anything about that in s3

[Crystil]

Its simple what the calculator comes down to, if the lowest team is based from their ingame rank which excludes inactive teams, then the total number of teams listed on the calc is total number of teams that blizz see as active. If however the lowest team is based upon their position in the ladder, then the calc's total number of teams is every single team there is, and so you would need to cut the glad estimate by roughly half.

As far as i can tell the calculator should be based from ingame rank, this is purely because you cant get more than 248 pages on the armory and so your not going to be able to see the lowest teams place, only their ingame rank, which is correct as of the last reset.

An example in EU reckoning the lowest known team is 808 rating, if when the mods made this calc, what they did was get told this teams name, armory them and take their ingame ranking as shown on the character page and then list that as the last team, therefore the number being the total number of teams, in this case 26084, because ingame ranking which this is excludes inactive teams, it means there are 26084 active teams, so 0.5% of those will get glad = 130 as per calculator, the only variances will come from the few extra teams created in the last week, along with people who are in the top 0.5% but dont meet the glad requirements of 100PR 20% played etc, meaning you could say get glad with a rank of 132 if 2 teams above arent eligible.

It comes down to how the mods made the calculator work, because ingame ranking is accurate of the number of active teams, im 99.9% certain of it.

[Nopskillz]

On a fun note, you can easily get an idea what the % of inactive teams is by looking at the lowest team you can find on the armory page.

For example, in 2v2 on Vindication there is a player who is listed as the 4984th team on the armory pages but if you click on the player, they are rated at 4173th.

Therefore, there are 811 inactive teams from 4984th to 1st place.

That's enough teams statistically to get a pretty spot on idea what the inactive % is for that bracket for a BG of that population size.

If you're wondering, the % is 16.27%

This thread seems to go crazy thinking half of the teams are inactive.

Proven wrong!

[Kadrix]

points per week is 150 off of the team i wonder if its the same for titles? i didnt read anything about that in s3

20% of total games played, need to have played a minimum of 20 games on the team, and be within 100 PR of the team rating for titles.