My opinion on if you should buy WAR.

[Ironmang]

Ok, first im not a blizz fan boi or a Warhammer fan boi, i just want to play a game because its fun. So i made the post "do you regret buying warhammer? is it fun?" because i REALLY couldnt decide whether i wanted to buy it, and i decided fuck it its 50 bucks ill buy it (hell i buy console games for 50 bucks that only last 5 hours so why not). So here is my opinion of the game. BTW ive played d2 starcraft wc3 dungeon keeper almost every known steam game (CS,tf,tf2,DOD etc) and too many other pc/consoles game to keep track of.

First ill start off with what i think is fun, because if i say its fun and my opinion of fun is PVE then the definition wouldnt be compatable to all! Anyways, since ive played games for a while the only thing i look for now is ENGAGING rewarding reactive challenging fast paced gameplay. I am the type who LOVVESSSS world pvp. In pre-bc when there was no point in world pvping i would spend ours in silithus just ruining horde on my mage. Capital raids on cities were neat but the lag and zergfest made them amazingly unfun for me. Thus im more into pvp and pve bores me to tears.

So i picked up war and started playing for about 15 mins, started cussing amazingly outloud about how fucken horrible this game has been set up. Then, a que for the first scenario popped up!!! and i was like ok this is gonna be good, 5 mins later i realized YOU CANT TELL WTF IS GOING ON and i was slamming my head against the key board. hit level 4 and kept playing because i spent 50 bucks, and amazingly i still hated this game.

then i joined quality control.... started doing some group RVR, customized the ui myself, got an idea of which classes were which.. and holy fuck did i start enjoying this game. I went to quest with some guildies when randomly a wave of order came at us and my first real open rvr started. and holy shit THIS is what world pvp is. We spam in general chat to get some help. more come then the order do the same and in no time we have this massive fight.

What i like about the game as well is you HAVE to stick together. so it doenst promote one person rushing in at a time. Tanks need dps classes with them to actually down the people they are on and need healers to keep em up. Healers need tanks and dps and same with dps classes. thus it embeds this feeling and tendancy to look in the map and see where the rest of hte group is and go with them. I didnt realize this until i thought about it, in WoW i would go look for 1v1s and etc but in war i would open my map and actually look to where everyone is so i can rush in WITH them, thus you have this movement of a RAID as one.

Ive been having fun playing WAR. however there are downsides, i still cant tell wtf is going on as much as in wow because its impossible to read enemy cast animations and there is no enemy cast bars -.-. The combat system is pretty good in pvp situations but in PVE the combat is extremely boring imo. Game is 10000x better if you play in parties and tends to be slow if you play by yourself espcially if you play a non dps class. castbar lag sucks but i got use to it. UI needs little, wait ALOT of work still. Game needs to be polished.

I go on wow because i like seeing something with clean and polished look. WoW gameplay seems pretty boring to me now unless its arena which i still love to do =P. its just so much better visually that i still play it when i cant stand the War UI >.<

My ultimate dream would be WAR gameplay/foundation but with WOW ui/graphics >.< that basically is my opinion of the game compared to wow.

So would i spend the 50 bucks to get this game? ATM i REGRET buying war because its still just needs so much work that it hinders the fun. and with WOTLK coming out soon wow will most likely overtake WAR

PS. Morale makes this game fucken awesome the game got 10x better when i got my first moral ability haha.

PPS. I play sorc a class people label as amazingly imba OP so my review may be bias =P

[Meugen]

so...ur saying a brand new game is harder to understand whats going on compared to a game uve played for years?

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmm

[HEnslaved]

No, fanboy, he said that the cast animations are all nearly identical but without the assistance of an enemy cast bar. For example Greater Heal and Flash Heal have the exact same animation, but WoW gives you a tool to distinguish them.

It sounds like his beef is that there isn't enough information given during a cast to distinguish what your opponent is doing. Whether you deem that to be a positive or negative quality is up to you.

[Alphatier]

This is one of the reasons I enjoy War right now.
Many people with short-attention spans get fed up with how this game is different or its gfx are supposedly worse than WoWs and then stop playing it.
War community right now is waaaay more mature than WoW's.

[Meugen]

No, fanboy, he said that the cast animations are all nearly identical but without the assistance of an enemy cast bar. For example Greater Heal and Flash Heal have the exact same animation, but WoW gives you a tool to distinguish them.

It sounds like his beef is that there isn't enough information given during a cast to distinguish what your opponent is doing. Whether you deem that to be a positive or negative quality is up to you.

and wow had that stuff when it first came out? nope.

try again.

[Alphatier]

and wow had that stuff when it first came out? nope.

try again.

that's not really a good argument, because really if a thing was good it should be implemented ..
however, mythic did implement most good things, the addon code is the same, so things will come, but!
target of target and enemy cast bars are disabled, and I think it's good, it dumbed wow down, made it way to technical, I'm playing an mmorpg, not a space ship racer or something.

[Meugen]

that's not really a good argument, because really if a thing was good it should be implemented ..
however, mythic did implement most good things, the addon code is the same, so things will come, but!
target of target and enemy cast bars are disabled, and I think it's good, it dumbed wow down, made it way to technical, I'm playing an mmorpg, not a space ship racer or something.

like u said...those things can be enabled through the addon code...

addons take time to come out, so people need to stop bitching when a game first comes out comparing it to a game thats been out for like 5 years or w/e

[Safdar]

War is a great game, it won't kill WoW because of the lack of PvE focus, but it will definitely suck in the PvP crowds.

Some polish and a few months and this game is going to rock balls. Premade scenarios will be awesome.

[Trotsky]

and wow had that stuff when it first came out? nope.

try again.

Do you have any idea what a marketing/development is designed to do?

Any company that throws more than a million dollars at a project - that is smart - invests the money into research of other games on the market (and let's suppose they're not stupid, and know to spend a lot of time looking at whatever is dominating the market ). After investigation they then relay back to engineers what they need to produce to give their product an edge over their strongest competitor.

This is where Blizzard is much superior and professional. The best example to prove this is with their current work: Siege style PvP. This "Siege" style warfare in WoW is a direct result of calling Warhammer's bluff over two years ago. The most embarrassing result is that blizzard has now produced warhammer's "Take this blizz" idea and done it ten times better.

I swear, either half the people on these boards are either young or incredibly vapid.

[keLston]

Do you have any idea what a marketing/development is designed to do?

Any company that throws more than a million dollars at a project - that is smart - invests the money into research of other games on the market (and let's suppose they're not stupid, and know to spend a lot of time looking at whatever is dominating the market ). After investigation they then relay back to engineers what they need to produce to give their product an edge over their strongest competitor.

This is where Blizzard is much superior and professional. The best example to prove this is with their current work: Siege style PvP. This "Siege" style warfare in WoW is a direct result of calling Warhammer's bluff over two years ago. The most embarrassing result is that blizzard has now produced warhammer's "Take this blizz" idea and done it ten times better.

I swear, either half the people on these boards are either young or incredibly vapid.

Watch out, Alphatier will spam fallacies at you because you disagree with his Warhammer is perfect opinion!

like u said...those things can be enabled through the addon code...

addons take time to come out, so people need to stop bitching when a game first comes out comparing it to a game thats been out for like 5 years or w/e

Maybe if you paid attention, broski, the reason why these mods aren't out already is because Warhammer's API doesn't even allow you to do some of that stuff.

Like, you want to include range detection on raid frames so you can figure out who you can actually heal? Sorry, healers, range functions aren't in the API. We addon developers can't even give it to you even if you offered a bj.

The main thing that came out of the OP's post:

IF YOU PLAY WITH FUN PEOPLE, THE GAME IS FUN.

This isn't a groundbreaking revelation guys.

[Alphatier]

The most embarrassing result is that blizzard has now produced warhammer's "Take this blizz" idea and done it ten times better.


That's a pretty bad lie.

@Ralin: Arena isn't fun anymore, don't you understand that?

[Meugen]

rali or w/e....u really dont get it...wow is broken...wow cannot be fixed, it has reached its max

the wotlk will just build on the flaws and is not going in the right direction...people playing beta all know that the world pvp is total crap...

arena is total crap once u truely understand the system...

WAR has the potential that WoW cannot/doesnot have...i realize that it is not polished like wow, but polish is fixable, potential is not...thats why i play WAR instead of wow (altho i still play wow for tourneys...but nothing else)



seriously if u look at it...its only the bad wow players that defend wow...b/c they really cant see it from the highest lvl, where it has no more to offer and does not answer those fundamental flaws in wotlk



either way...any game i play is pointless until STARCRAFT 2...cant wait till beta comes out and people crack it :)

[Giantdwarf]

AGREE STARCRAFT WINS ALL

[keLston]

rali or w/e....u really dont get it...wow is broken...wow cannot be fixed, it has reached its max

I asked you why. You never gave an answer.

Why can't WoW be fixed? What's so inherently broken that it couldn't be fixed? What's designed so inherently well in Warhammer that it could never be broken?

I'm pretty sure you don't understand programming at all.

That's a pretty bad lie.

@Ralin: Arena isn't fun anymore, don't you understand that?

Zerging was never fun. Don't you understand that?

[Hobbledehoy]

(you missed) why i would play WAR over WoW:

(1) No druids
(2) PvP focus

Only thing wow has on it: arena



PS: I do play war when my brother isn't at his computer, but my mac won't run it :rolleyes:

[Hobbledehoy]

Why can't WoW be fixed? What's so inherently broken that it couldn't be fixed?

I don't see WoW getting fixed b/c too many pvpers have rerolled into druid. Bliz would lose too many subscriptions to WAR if they balanced druids.

The premise is that I predict every druid that hasn't hit 2200 would call this game stupid and quit for WAR if they were balanced and stuck < 1800.

[Alphatier]

There's an easy explanation for wow not going to get fixed.
The designers, they don't like pvp and just implement little things to get people to pay the suscription, but in the end they love to give Pve people advantages.
War is set with pvp in mind.

@ralin: Good players never actually zerged in tm vs ss or xr, but you probably don't know what it's like to play organized pvp.

[Militant]

I don't see WoW getting fixed b/c too many pvpers have rerolled into druid. Bliz would lose too many subscriptions to WAR if they balanced druids.

The premise is that I predict every druid that hasn't hit 2200 would call this game stupid and quit for WAR if they were balanced and stuck < 1800.

last i heard druids were bad in wotlk beta pvp

and i agree to whoever said zergfests get old, i cant see myself doing keeps and scenarios all the time at max level, i really would prefer small scale organized pvp like arena. but, the VAST majority of the players are not at max level, but, we should be able to figure out if the level cap is fun by november, eh? =P

[Teddymonster]

arena is broken and unfixable. I didn't realize this until my rogue/lock team got into the top 30 early this season and I noticed what options we have at the top ranks (if you're not on a rogue/druid warr/druid or lock/druid team at least). These are the different situations it seems:

1) First match is a counter comp, you lose, logout
2) First match is a comp you counter, they queue dodge after 2 losses, you logout
3) First match is a 1950 team and even if you beat them for 6 points, you are afraid to queue again in case there's a KS resist or spelllock resist and you lose 24 points, you logout
4) You login and since you're an underpowered comp you have people arena spying you, you don't even queue, logout
5) You decide to play 10-15 matches nonetheless, you meet an equal opponent...you play them 10 times in a row
6) Any of the above happen, you get pissed off and want more than 20 minutes of entertainment and continue playing and tank rating cuz you're pissed off and don't care anymore

What's been blizzard's answer for these issues? Play with a druid. /cancelsub

[Meugen]

arena is broken and unfixable. I didn't realize this until my rogue/lock team got into the top 30 early this season and I noticed what options we have at the top ranks (if you're not on a rogue/druid warr/druid or lock/druid team at least). These are the different situations it seems:

1) First match is a counter comp, you lose, logout
2) First match is a comp you counter, they queue dodge after 2 losses, you logout
3) First match is a 1950 team and even if you beat them for 6 points, you are afraid to queue again in case there's a KS resist or spelllock resist and you lose 24 points, you logout
4) You login and since you're an underpowered comp you have people arena spying you, you don't even queue, logout
5) You decide to play 10-15 matches nonetheless, you meet an equal opponent...you play them 10 times in a row
6) Any of the above happen, you get pissed off and want more than 20 minutes of entertainment and continue playing and tank rating cuz you're pissed off and don't care anymore

What's been blizzard's answer for these issues? Play with a druid. /cancelsub

arena was designed to be broken really...the whole arena system is flawed in an mmo

this isnt gunna be fixed in wotlk

the big problem is is that wow is a PVE game, they added arena to get people to stop complaining about how bad pvp was in the game pre tbc...and arena was not the right answer, its a microcosm of what pvp should be in an mmo...

w/e...starcraft 2 beta inc imo

[sierrah]

arena was designed to be broken really...the whole arena system is flawed in an mmo

this isnt gunna be fixed in wotlk

the big problem is is that wow is a PVE game, they added arena to get people to stop complaining about how bad pvp was in the game pre tbc...and arena was not the right answer, its a microcosm of what pvp should be in an mmo...

w/e...starcraft 2 beta inc imo

Even though I don't really enjoy PVE that much, I am thankful for its existence (despite pve player advantages etc) because it makes the WORLD in warcraft, giving you choice of what to do etc, isntances, bgs, casual arena or just chatting in guild or standing around iron forge (lol). I get why really serious players prefer WAR; because the only thing they do is high end arena, a game that is only PVP (WAR) would be more appealing. But the average player is far from that, and i'm sure WAR will have its niche, but because WoW is a much more rounded experience it will remain a more successful game, and for the average mmorpg player a better game.

[keLston]

There's an easy explanation for wow not going to get fixed.
The designers, they don't like pvp and just implement little things to get people to pay the suscription, but in the end they love to give Pve people advantages.
War is set with pvp in mind.

@ralin: Good players never actually zerged in tm vs ss or xr, but you probably don't know what it's like to play organized pvp.

Complacent game designers doesn't make the game inherently broken. If it was inherently broken, no one would have played for 4 years.

The game isn't inherently flawed. Your logic is.

p.s. You were the one who said you had the most fun back during TM/SS zerg. So by your own argument, you are either a shit player or you're going on the special pleading logical fallacy.

[Duda]

AGREE STARCRAFT WINS ALL

Quoted for ultimate truth. :)

[Alphatier]

Complacent game designers doesn't make the game inherently broken. If it was inherently broken, no one would have played for 4 years.

p.s. You were the one who said you had the most fun back during TM/SS zerg. So by your own argument, you are either a shit player or you're going on the special pleading logical fallacy.

Why did I play WoW for 4 years? Because there was nothing else. I even played Lineage 2 on a private server for a while because wow was so boring, but private servers are a bit empty, and the real server took you like 2 years to get to max level lol.

I will quote myself:
"3) I personally really liked TM/SS, the old AV and XR. Roaming 6vs6 is for skill. And you are not forced to do it like wow arena. You can if you want to have fun (fun,lol)"

Where do I say zerg? Bad players are bad.

[Meugen]

Why did I play WoW for 4 years? Because there was nothing else.

QFT




STARCRAFT 2 BETA INC GOGOGGOGOG omg OMG ! better come out right after blizzcon!

[Mannimal]

I don't regret buying WAR at alllll. In fact, I don't regret leaving WoW for WAR at all either. I was all about the pvp in WoW myself, and you don't really realize what it is missing until you start getting into WAR. WAR pvp (rvr) is HEAVILY group based... unlike wow where there is like 1v1 (duels) 2v2, 3v3 arena what not. RvR in WAR actually has purpose. It has meaning. In WoW you might say ya the pvp has purpose and meaning too but not like WAR. When shit goes down in WAR (whether it's taking a keep, raiding warcamps/cities, scenarios) EVERYONE that's in the area all of the sudden joins in. You get this feeling in WAR that's completely different than wow. A sense that the battle's and rvr that's going on around just sucks you in whatever it is.

[Militant]

I don't regret buying WAR at alllll. In fact, I don't regret leaving WoW for WAR at all either. I was all about the pvp in WoW myself, and you don't really realize what it is missing until you start getting into WAR. WAR pvp (rvr) is HEAVILY group based... unlike wow where there is like 1v1 (duels) 2v2, 3v3 arena what not. RvR in WAR actually has purpose. It has meaning. In WoW you might say ya the pvp has purpose and meaning too but not like WAR. When shit goes down in WAR (whether it's taking a keep, raiding warcamps/cities, scenarios) EVERYONE that's in the area all of the sudden joins in. You get this feeling in WAR that's completely different than wow. A sense that the battle's and rvr that's going on around just sucks you in whatever it is.

Yeah I can see it now:
Desto chat:
The socs are starting shit again.

Order:
Let's beat up those greasers!

[Craton]

@Mannimal
That could just as easily be because it is new and exciting. Once time goes on and its the "same old thing," will everyone show up? You can't really tell yet.

[Inory]

i will buy it after i find out that if wotlk pvp fails big time or not. which will take like 2-3 months, and hopefully by that time WAR will be polished enough to convince me that it's worth my money.

[Ise]

i will buy it after i find out that if wotlk pvp fails big time or not. which will take like 2-3 months, and hopefully by that time WAR will be polished enough to convince me that it's worth my money.

when you see ptr by itself now, if you read what ppl are talking about lvl 80 pvp on beta + if you take in mind that patch 3.0 will be released in lesser than 2 weeks (somewhere was said patch 3.0 will be released around 15.10.08)
you can imagine, how little the chance is, that you will get a real balanced game when you hit lvl 80 at like the end of november on live realms lol

[Hardz]

I don't regret buying WAR at alllll. In fact, I don't regret leaving WoW for WAR at all either. I was all about the pvp in WoW myself, and you don't really realize what it is missing until you start getting into WAR. WAR pvp (rvr) is HEAVILY group based... unlike wow where there is like 1v1 (duels) 2v2, 3v3 arena what not. RvR in WAR actually has purpose. It has meaning. In WoW you might say ya the pvp has purpose and meaning too but not like WAR. When shit goes down in WAR (whether it's taking a keep, raiding warcamps/cities, scenarios) EVERYONE that's in the area all of the sudden joins in. You get this feeling in WAR that's completely different than wow. A sense that the battle's and rvr that's going on around just sucks you in whatever it is.

When WoW was a young game, the same thing happened in Tarren Mill.
When the game is new, everything is fun, everyone loved world PvP before BC came out, then arenas came and took its place, because you can now know who really are the good players and who isn't.

After this initial happiness in Warhammer, you won't have fun anymore, while WoW will still have rated arenas.
Hell, some years back, even AV was fun, the same thing will happen to WAR.

[Teddymonster]

When WoW was a young game, the same thing happened in Tarren Mill.
When the game is new, everything is fun, everyone loved world PvP before BC came out, then arenas came and took its place, because you can now know who really are the good players and who isn't.

After this initial happiness in Warhammer, you won't have fun anymore, while WoW will still have rated arenas.
Hell, some years back, even AV was fun, the same thing will happen to WAR.

Playing 1 arena match in wow makes me wanna logout and kill myself, reading 1 sentence about anything in wotlk makes me want to do the same. WAR doesn't seem like it'll do that at any time. WAR is unbad.

[Wirbelsturm]

When WoW was a young game, the same thing happened in Tarren Mill.
When the game is new, everything is fun, everyone loved world PvP before BC came out, then arenas came and took its place, because you can now know who really are the good players and who isn't.

After this initial happiness in Warhammer, you won't have fun anymore, while WoW will still have rated arenas.
Hell, some years back, even AV was fun, the same thing will happen to WAR.

Maybe, but why does everything have to be such a long-term investment? I'm considering trying WAR because I'm sick to death of WOW - it's been the same game for years now and if it wasn't for Arenas, I probably would have quit a few months into BC (.. BC was terrible). To me though, if I try WAR, I'm not looking for another 5 year investment like WOW. I just want the game to be fun now. Because of WOW I think some people (maybe myself) think any game they go to must have the potential to hook them for years and years - nothing wrong with that I guess, but WOW was my first MMO and I was used to switching games. I played CS (not source crap) and D2 for a very long time, but I also played a lot of COD, UT, etc. and regularly tried new games to see what was fun. Some games lasted years (ie. D2) while others lasted a few months - why can't WAR be played by these people because it is fun NOW?

If it turns out to be 'meh' later on then people can decide what to do at the time, but right now there is no way to know how good or bad it will be so why not play if it's fun NOW? Let's face it, WoTLK might be fun for the first few months, but will it really be all that great in its second year? Aside from arena, was BC not garbage in its second year?

I'm just looking for FUN in a game again, and if it's WAR that provides that, then I'll give it a try along with the new COD. Honestly, I'm just looking for something to carry me to D3, but WAR sounds like it could be a fun time investment, especially if its polished.


BTW, DIABLO3 FOR THE WIN ... RELEASE DATE INC PLZ?!?

[Wirbelsturm]

Bought WAR a few days ago and so far I'm very pleased with my decision :) Going in and comparing it to WOW is stupid; it isn't WOW. There are certainly some issues with the game, but for only being a month old, I'm impressed overall. This game has the potential to be really fun and exciting down the road (it is now actually, but more so after patching) while I really have no interest in playing BC 2.0 (aka WoTLK).

Other thing I really like is how the development team interacts with the community. I was shocked to learn that the lead designer routinely posts on forums to get feedback, etc. and it's clear that the dev team really uses community feedback to guide their decisions. This is pretty cool actually, and so far they have been very quick to look into issues - I think the first major patch is due out sometime in the next month which is impressive.

Anyway, will it beat WOW? Who knows, but I really don't care. Fact is, it isn't WOW and that's a plus for me. I've done enough honor grinding, rep grinding, gear farming, etc. over my time playing this game and it's refreshing to have something 'new' to try.

Oh and ORvR is fun as hell, even at low levels.

[Cránk]

the game is shit lol.

everything looks like shit. (cast animations, LOL... the d2 casts looked better than that crap)
gameplay feels like shit.
the charakters running looks like shit.
the "wannabe real-noncomic" graphic looks like shit.
through no anti-aliasing/anistrophic filtering all edges/squares look like shit. and much more...

EA/Mythic definately FUCKIN FAILED. the game is gonna flop like AoC did. wait a bit more and u will see.

[blackbelt]

i decided not to continue my subscription the game became boring as heel, even wow feels so much better to play atm

[Jedden]

Ugh, initially I liked it. Once I reached tier 3 I realised how fucking boring it really is.

To sum it up? Enjoy zerg pvp.