2.3.2 Mage Specs 17-0-44 or 0-7-54

[Dromar]

Considering the gloves lose fireblast range and possible Icy vein frostbite DR issues with frost armor

Will 0/7/54 or 0/9/52 etc be the dominant spec come 2.3.2?
or :P maybe even 10/7/44

[nara]

ill try 9/52 - never used impact and molten armor with frost build yet.

[Exin]

I'm 0/7/54 atm, and I think thats the specc to go, you could go anything around 0/6/55 0/9/52, whatever...

The fact is that rogues are getting buffed (just like us) but hemo rogues, give mages are really, really hard time! going those points in impact gives them a really hard time due to molten armor... Well, I'm staying 0/7/54, what the dominating specc will be? Who knows.. people play with what they like, 17/0/44.. 0/7/54.. its your playstyle that has to match a certain specc, not the other way around.

Don't get me wrong, this might not be the case for every class, but we have the choice to choose between a few really, really good builds.. so why not just pick your favo!

[Shokurae]

yeah 9/52 seems like a good spec to try, ill give it a shot

[Fenald]

I'm still not in the mood to lose all the arcane hit/pen/imp CS.

My mage will most likely stick with 17/0/44.

[Mujica]

DR for our snares may become a problem, but i don't think it'll bring up enough situations where imp CS is still not worth it.

EDIT:
0/5/56 or 0/9/52 will always be the best 5v5 spec simply beacuse imp counterspell is outweighed heavily by the dps gain with the additional frost talents and molten armor.

[Errelno]

17 0 44 for 3v3

some variety of 0 6 55 for 5v5

[frst]

17 0 44 for 3v3

some variety of 0 6 55 for 5v5

something like that

[Charade]

For RMP I'd suggest a non-imp CS build to tbh.
I personally like my current build I'm testing now, 2/7/52. I rather have those 2 points in arcane focus to reduce CS resists a bit, rather then 2/3 imp fireblast.

On the unending 17/0/44 vs 52frost+ debate, I strongly believe that the 52frost+ builds have won some terrain since the glove bonus got changed for mages.

The only place where 17/0/44 is significantly superior to 52frost+ builds, is 2V2 imo.

[Epicfailguy]

I believe arcane focus doesnt help your CS to get interrupted less. You should already have the 3% hit needed from gear alone.

I am trying 5/5/whatever right now, with imp AM. You get focus proc, AM and Fire Blast CoC after that is nice damage against lets say hunters. Not sure yet if its worth losing flamethrowing or imp CoC, but its quite fun in BG at least. Gives many people a 'WTF just happened' look.

[Charade]

Arcane focus helps vs silence resistance items/talents.
And I take back my statement btw; been working around with diff builds and my current 17/0/44 version is definatly the best 3V3 (I run RMP) build around. For 2V2, Imp CoC+Icefloes+permafrost over emp frostbolt+winters chill.
Not sure yet about 5V5, started a new comp (2345 ezmode) for this season, but we havn't played alot. My main focus is 3V3 anyhow.

[Malachim]

Arcane focus helps vs silence resistance items/talents.

Not.

[Charade]

Not.

Yes it does
First thing that comes to my mind is Unbreakable Will.

[Final]

From what I understand, the 17/0/44 is good for outlasting/sheeping/occasional burst. 0/7/54 is a better build if you're looking for the most damage possible, good for 4 dps 5v5's, 3dps 3v3s, or 2 dps 2v2's.

[Steamboat]

Yes it does
First thing that comes to my mind is Unbreakable Will.

resist and hit are two totally seperate things

[Kotlol]

From what I understand, the 17/0/44 is good for outlasting/sheeping/occasional burst. 0/7/54 is a better build if you're looking for the most damage possible, good for 4 dps 5v5's, 3dps 3v3s, or 2 dps 2v2's.

It's the opposite, you wan't imp cs for burst teams, molten armor + more frost control talents for outlasting teams.

[Charade]

resist and hit are two totally seperate things

If I'm that wrong, then tell me why every 17/0/44 build has 3/5 arcane focus =).
There is definatly a noticable change, atleast in my experience.

[Steamboat]

If I'm that wrong, then tell me why every 17/0/44 build has 3/5 arcane focus =).
There is definatly a noticable change, atleast in my experience.

because people don't use missles. It might be affected by other's chance to resist silencing effects from talents but actual resist stats have no affect on it.

[Zoia]

im sticking with 17/0/44 i enjoy IMP CS and my missles to much

[Charade]

because people don't use missles. It might be affected by other's chance to resist silencing effects from talents but actual resist stats have no affect on it.
The whole point of taking it to negate silence resist effects.
Else it would be 3 waisted talent points and even "useless" imp AM would be better then just waisting 3 TP's.
AM is quite nice of the focus proc still.

[Destructus]

Personally, I believe deep frost is strongest in 5v5 where imp cs can be less of a clutch moment, while 17/0/44 is still the clear winner in the 3s bracket. I am just lazy and never respec for the two different brackets I run, I never take 2v2s serious either so I constantly run 0-5-56.

There have been times where the imp cs would have payed off against druid teams, but I run a RPM makeup and I can depend on my team mates for fears/blinds when I can't silence druids.

edit: yay my first post! Also why doesn't it show my 5v5 team oO