View Full Version : [Need Help] Season 3 Gems
renovatio
11-20-2007, 03:08 PM
as a disc priest, most of my gems are +12 stamina atm. I was wondering if it's wise to go for a combination of steady talasite (6 sta 4 res) and royal nightseye (9 heal 2mp5) for the set bonuses + better mana efficiency. Also i'm thinking about taking mystical skyfire over the +18 sta meta. Even though mystical skyfire is getting nerfed to shit, a half cast rez/manaburn/gheal would be extremely helpful in many situations.
any suggestions would help
Cursiver
11-21-2007, 12:47 AM
yeah i was wondering the same shit you were. i'm going to mix it up between talasite (stam and resil) and solid star... figure i wanna stack more stamina then anything but that little extra ressilance wont hurt, just dont wanna gimp my health by try to get that last .something % chance to not get crit. I'm going with mystic skyfire, i was an advocate of the 18 stam gem, but ive seen some people do some really cool stuff with the mystic skyfire diamond, 1.5sec mc.... 1.25 sec greater heal...practically instant flash heal, deff gunna use that. Hope Some of this helped, i would like to hear more feed back if anyones got any, i wanted to hear some points of views on this. Does anyone think stacking all Talasites is really worth it? i always figured once your 400+ resillance your set and go for stamina. deff enchanting my gloves with 15 spell hit if none of you guys do that... mindcontroll resists in 5v5 make me upset.
Wonder
11-21-2007, 01:02 AM
I personally do fine without maxing +sta, and encourage other Priests to at least give it a try for a little while and see how much an extra 600 health is - or isn't - helping them.
Earrl
11-21-2007, 06:49 AM
I personally do fine without maxing +sta, and encourage other Priests to at least give it a try for a little while and see how much an extra 600 health is - or isn't - helping them.
It is definitely helpful for 2s Wonder, but I would definitely argue against that in 5v5 every day of the week. Not that I want to sacrifice some stats, but I have definitely investigated ways to increase my tanking ability for next season with my gear...because 3s and 5s are a bit more rough on a Priest at times.
Chansobal
11-21-2007, 12:52 PM
I dont stack stam really. Once I capped my resil, I gemmed to get some set bonus's and more healing etc. Stacking stam did help me when I was below the resil cap though.
Edit: I will probably go with the stam/stun resist meta next season though. MSD too unreliable from when I've messed around with it. Terrible proc timing is terrible and that intercept/stun resist is clutch sometimes if you are mounted etc.
Wonder
11-21-2007, 01:23 PM
It is definitely helpful for 2s Wonder, but I would definitely argue against that in 5v5 every day of the week. Not that I want to sacrifice some stats, but I have definitely investigated ways to increase my tanking ability for next season with my gear...because 3s and 5s are a bit more rough on a Priest at times.
Well, in S3 I'm going nubtard spec and going to maximize my crit, so wish me luck. =P
Earrl
11-21-2007, 01:56 PM
Well, in S3 I'm going nubtard spec and going to maximize my crit, so wish me luck. =P
Sounds like you're going to need it. :-P
Follow
11-21-2007, 02:13 PM
Go go epic hyjal/bt gems for S3 gear. ;)
WTB epic gems Follow! :D
But seriously, I've been working on getting mostly 15 stam gems crafted from a few different sources and while it may be hard, it's worth it. With the resil gem from Halaa and one 10 resil gem crafted as well, try to get your resil to about 480-490 with enchants, trinkets, gems, etc, and you'll still be sitting at over 11k health unbuffed.
Earrl
11-21-2007, 03:42 PM
Honestly, I am feeling the 4 resilience, 6 stamina gems a lot more as they are really helping you get your socket bonus' which in some cases could be that little extra bit that a specific gem would give you currently. In my opinion, I think the gem really does knock out two birds with one stone.
Right now, my character is at 443 resilience, which I still feel is on the lower end, so I am trying to get myself into the 470s range. So basically, what I intend on doing is increasing my ability to take damage from opposing players, while maintaining the performance level that I am used to currently with the increase healing. If it all works out the way I expect it to next season, with the team change-ups that I have and not starting teams in the last 2 weeks of the season, I am thinking I should be in a good situation for next season. Time will tell however :).
Smyhte
11-22-2007, 01:25 PM
I'm going to try stacking healing/mp5 gems--- I can only think of a very few times that 500 health actually did me any good.
If I don't appreciate the extra regen/healing and feel I'm dying too much I'll resocket with stam/resil gems.
Lilyi
11-22-2007, 10:19 PM
Honestly, I am feeling the 4 resilience, 6 stamina gems a lot more as they are really helping you get your socket bonus' which in some cases could be that little extra bit that a specific gem would give you currently. In my opinion, I think the gem really does knock out two birds with one stone.I'm going with 3x glowing shadowsong amethyst (6 dmg/7 stam) in the red sockets, and 10 resil lionseyes in the other 5 yellow slots. This satisfys any metagem requirements I would consider (chaotic skyfire, mystical skyfire, or powerful earthstorm, going with the earthstorm most likely) and obtains all the socket bonuses with a good balance of stats for shadow. This combination of gems seems to do a better job of killing multiple birds than the talasites.
I do have the epic ramparts gem (5resil/6stam) and an extra 12 dmg honor gem, as well as the option to take up JC/enchanting for the 18 stam/12 resil/14 dmg gems, but I think I'm going to go with the amethysts/lionseyes still. I also saved a sethekk halls healing/stam epic gem and haven't completed my nightbane quest should I decide to pick up healing gear again in season 3 at some point.
If anything I'm tempted to use the ramparts gem, and possibly skip a socket bonus or two for two 15 (or 18) stam gems for the metagem, and then socket all 3 red slots with +12 (or 14) damage. I don't have a lot of experience in 2v2 as shadow but it seems that higher spell dmg and a bit lower survivability from gems is favored by many top shadow priests in 2v2/3v3, where I plan to focus my efforts.
I spent my epic mount money on epic stam gems for my Season 3 gear (Halaa resil for neck, BT resil for bracers). Bad me, bad.
Reezy
11-27-2007, 06:16 AM
If you can get access to epic gems, I wouldn't recommend getting the resil/stam talasites.
Here's a site I've been using to plan my gems: http://www.chardev.org/ and here's my current profile: http://www.chardev.org/?profile=1471
Keep in mind that though it has the S3 arena gear in, it's still using the s2 honor gear for some reason (they have the same resil values though) so stam/int values are lower than they will be. What do you guys think of my gem setup? Anything else you feel I can do to max my stats? I really want to keep the MSD gem. I don't want to go any higher on resil because I should be able to reach exactly cap with the paladin relic. I'm most interested in 5v5 so I don't want to drop too low on stam (hypocrite because I want MSD, I know).
Timothy
12-03-2007, 05:03 AM
I'm fully merc geared, with 2 vengeful pieces. With 15 resilience on my chest and 10 resilience halaa gem on my necklace, and following all bonus sockets, I am capped at flat 493 resilience (at least I will be once I buy shoulders in 8 days, if you're peeking at my armory), which is EXACTLY where I want to be (25% cit reduction, 12.5% less dmg from dot's & chance to be crit).
Since I am using 18s5sr meta, I am obliged to meet the requirement of 3 blue gems.
So let's review:
FULL arena gear with 3 red sockets and 5 yellow sockets
Right?
Now there's the dilemma of needing 3 blue gems. How do I satisfy this need? Hybrid gems in red sockets, meaning red + blue gems. But what kind?! I want the best of the best, and that means EPIC...
1. helm - 11 healing 6 stam from heroic setthek halls
2. shoulders - 9 heal, 2 mp5 (or 11 healing 2 mp5 from heroic slave pens)
2 and a half. chest - 9 heal, 4 int (or 11 heal, 4 int if you can get it)
3. basically any blue gem of your desire, to go on our BRACERS. Why bracers? Because the socket bonus is 2 spell damage, totally worthless to healers, and is therefore awesome for a blue gem of you choice, simply to meet that meta requirement. If your meta is the 12 int/mana restore, then put a yellow pure int gem in here (see below)
Now for the yellow sockets....
10 resilience halaa gem in necklace (meet socket bonus of 3 stamina
and for the rest.... PURE YELLOW plus 8 intellect.
You must be wondering why all the int and so little mp5. Well, in my opinion, I don't think Arena is about mp5... that is a pve thing, and as many of you will agree, mana is the number 1 problem in our fights.
So that brings me to my 48/13 spec... which is focused on minimizing mana cost and increasing mana pool.
28/33 in S2 probably got you around the 9500 mark, right?
Well, with full vindicator, the new badge healing cloak, pure int gems in sockets as described above, and full S2 Merc with two S3 gear and a wand so far, I have
*drumroll*
11,616 mana.
That is about 2k extra mana, which, imo, beats 16 mp5 (fanatical situation of pure 2mp5 gems in all sockets) anyday.
Oh, let's not forget that the additional mana yet to come from rest of vengeful S3 gear and S3 weapons, SHOULD send me past 12k mana.
And for BG's, add in blessing of kings, arcane intellect, and gift of the wild.
I'd say you're looking at very close to 14k mana.
good game. :)
padrote
12-03-2007, 01:45 PM
3. basically any blue gem of your desire, to go on our BRACERS. Why bracers? Because the socket bonus is 2 spell damage, totally worthless to healers, and is therefore awesome for a blue gem of you choice, simply to meet that meta requirement. If your meta is the 12 int/mana restore, then put a yellow pure int gem in here (see below)
Just want to correct this, the bracer bonus was ninja-corrected to +3 stamina, well worth keeping in my opinion.
Final
12-03-2007, 03:17 PM
I'm a big fan of steady talasite for the yellow spots and +18 healing for the red.
Hulknasty
12-04-2007, 08:54 AM
I'm a big fan of steady talasite for the yellow spots and +18 healing for the red.
Same
Potatoe
12-04-2007, 11:43 AM
Pretty much mainly used Steady Talasites and Royal Nightseyes in my gear...Sitting at around where you're at Earll, but it should go up as I don't have a resil weapon atm (Switched mid season during S2, so I have the Gavel for my shadow set) and I switch out my Alembic of Infernal Power for the Scarab from BM..so I can swing in another 45 resil easily if need be.
The Talas and Nightseye really help get those bonuses and I do enjoy the extra MP5 and healing...it's really useful to get some more healing if your a disc spec also.
Jaristus
12-04-2007, 12:38 PM
Your sockets should be filled with Steady Talasite and Royal Nightseye. Enchants should be resil to chest, Thrallmar enchant for head, stam to bracers, healing to gloves, and Golden spellthread on legs. End of story.
Sykeasaurus
12-04-2007, 12:50 PM
Helm
Meta: Mystical Skyfire Diamond (Next spell cast time cut in half) (Buyable)
Red slot: Kailee's Rose (+29 Healing and +9 Spell Damage) (Jewlcrafting)
Socket Bonus: +4 Resilience Rating [x]
Neck
Yellow slot: Sublime Mystic Dawnstone (+10 Resilience Rating) (100 Halaa Tokens)
Socket Bonus: +3 Stamina [x]
Shoulder
Red slot: Solid Empyrean Sapphire (+15 Stamina) (Buyable)
Yellow slot: Solid Empyrean Sapphire (+15 Stamina) (Buyable)
Socket Bonus: +3 Resilience Rating [N/A]
Chest
Red slot: Solid Empyrean Sapphire (+15 Stamina) (Buyable)
Yellow slot: Solid Empyrean Sapphire (+15 Stamina) (Buyable)
Yellow slot: Solid Empyrean Sapphire (+15 Stamina) (Buyable)
Socket Bonus: +4 Resilience Rating [N/A]
Bracers
Yellow slot: Mystic Lionseye (+10 Resilience Rating) (Buyable)
Socket Bonus: +3 Stamina [x]
NA means socket bonus not achieved.
x means socket bonus achieved.
EDIT: This is some text document I made. How nerdy. =[
Sykeasaurus
12-04-2007, 12:54 PM
The above post is what I want. Right now, I'm mostly using steady talasites and nightseyes. Gotta make gold, doin' dailies, etc.
Faint
12-05-2007, 01:03 AM
Just don't forget +healing will also help survival. Once you hit a certain amount of HP, it's probably good to get some healing going too.
Wonder
12-05-2007, 01:56 PM
Just don't forget +healing will also help survival. Once you hit a certain amount of HP, it's probably good to get some healing going too.
QFT.
I've never gemmed for maximum resilience/sta and have been very, very satisfied with my survivability.
Zione
12-22-2007, 03:07 PM
Okay, I need some advice here. I want to use Battlemaster's Perseverance, meet the MSD requirements and still get as close to max resilience as possible. I don't have acces to any MH/BT gems, and don't have the 15 stamina gem from ZA either (wasted it in shadow gear)
Anyone? http://www.chardev.org/?profile=11023
Wonder
12-23-2007, 04:02 AM
Okay, I'm going to let you guys in on my secret gem-searching utility. It is amazing, and I do not demand that you thank me, thought it would naturally be appreciated.
http://wowgems.jponrails.com/
Okay, I'm going to let you guys in on my secret gem-searching utility. It is amazing, and I do not demand that you thank me, thought it would naturally be appreciated.
http://wowgems.jponrails.com/
WoWGems
Application error
Currently experiencing some problems.
Come back later.
"
/cry
Zione
12-23-2007, 09:09 AM
Okay, I'm going to let you guys in on my secret gem-searching utility. It is amazing, and I do not demand that you thank me, thought it would naturally be appreciated.
http://wowgems.jponrails.com/
Thank god you were smart enough to type: "wow gems" in your google box. Really. btw, I don't think finding the names for the gems is peoples problem, more like what setup gemwise to go with.
Kokoro
12-23-2007, 01:04 PM
some top priests u might wanna look at
kinttlol
crysalid
rafterman
LOL 15 stamina gems? That's really bad.
Head : MSD, 11 & 6 stam or 11 healing & 5 int
Neck : +10 Resilience
Shoulders : 11 healing & 5 int, 10 res/10 spell hit/or 6stam & 4 res
Chest : 11 healing & 5 int, 6stam & 4 resx2, or 10 resx2
Bracers : 10 resilience
There's really no point in going for so much stamina. A good priest doesn't die until OOM so I would just go for more int and +healing.
*How to gem for 2v2*
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Jaedenar&n=Heath
xforce27
12-25-2007, 02:07 AM
There's really no point in going for so much stamina. A good priest doesn't die until OOM so I would just go for more int and +healing.
I kinda agree with this. Esp nowadays disc priests arent focused as much in 3s at least.
*How to gem for 2v2*
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Jaedenar&n=Heath
Correction: How to gem for 2v2 with a warlock partner. I'd be ruined in seconds if I gemmed that way with my hunter partner :\
Vadim
12-26-2007, 02:21 AM
i'm thinking about this..
helm: mana restore, 26 healing(jewelcrafting), socket bonus+
shoulders:11heal/4resil, 12resilience(jewelcrafting), socket bonus+
neck: +10 spell hit
bracer: +10 resilience
robe: +18 stamina(jewelcrafting), blank/blank
stats with this unbuffed:
10881hp
10706mana
1708healing
85mp5
472resilience
2.85 hit
Right now I'm undecided for the last two robe slots. I'm thinking of maybe getting the JC +12 hit gem so I can slap 35 healing on gloves(15 hit now) and be at 2.85(12 hit/10 gems, 14 hit head).
any suggestions?
Correction: How to gem for 2v2 with a warlock partner. I'd be ruined in seconds if I gemmed that way with my hunter partner :\
No, you wouldn't. Good priests don't die until they're out of mana.
A hunter even has 100 more ways to save a priest than a warlock does.
Timothy
12-31-2007, 01:44 AM
If you want over 12k hp with fort and over 12k mana bare, along with a resilience cap of 493, then click my name. :)
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