5v5 2345 Disp Priest vs 4DPS

[Alaran]

After patch 2.3 as most people my teams began the push for Gladiator and I am having the main issue of needing 2 specs for my 2 brackets im pushing. 2v2 I feel that 28/33 is a much more desireable spec as blessed resil makes tanking warriors a joke (even though disp makes rogue alot easier) and I feel that 5v5 would be a little better with me as disp. This week my team faught our way up to 2349 which was 10 points over the estimated for gladiator but with half our team being scared of the "estimate" they wanted to keep pushing after losing 2 close games to the #1 team on our battle group we found ourselves 2 points under the estimated and then it happened the onslaught of 4DPS teams chunking away 20+ points per loss and us winning 5-6.

In short does the targetable pain suppression make up for the loss of 10% healing against 4DPS teams for most of you? If so give me a brief positive and negative you have seen between 28/33 and 43/18 vs 4DPS teams. I am a poor PvPer that doesnt wanna drop 300 gold into respecs the week before i need to gem all new gear mind you I only have just under 200 gold atm... :o/

[Woah]

I believe it does, though I haven't competed in that rating range. In regards to my own survivability I find as 41/20 the dmg I take is a bit more streaky, i.e., I tend to take a bit more burst dmg, which can be disconcerting, but overall I'm enjoying the spec.

Suffice it to say we were able to keep our warrior up against 4 dps, which historically has been.....problematic at best. And let me tell you, this warrior was even using his HEALTHSTONE and everything, not to mention a SHIELD!!! Sorry, I couldn't help it. Is my little brother the only warrior that wants a special prize for using the tools he's been given to survive or is that a warrior class epidemic?

[Alaran]

At our rating teams no longer target our warrior. Its our shaman that dies 100% of the games. If a team is 4DPS and attacks our warrior its a joke of a win because they will not kill him he has had too much practice and has too much ability to get away. Our shaman is the one that dies instantly. He gets drawn out to land earthshocks/purges and gets stunned/novaed in place and has no ability to midigate dmg(sheild/reflect) also once he is focused it becomes hard for him to land shocks midigating their dmg. This throws me into healer mode slowing my dispels/mana burns.

I guess I will be pushing for glad in 2v2 in the next day or two and possibly speccing disp for this weekend to manage the 4DPS teams. I just find that with my play style disp only seems to be an advantage in 5v5 and I am just hoping that all you other priests do enough to stop 4DPS teams in S3 that they dont make it over 2k anymore and i can comfortably play at a 2200-2400 rating as 28/33. :o)

[Bazz]

I run a 2345 hunter combo and we do have similar problem against 4 dps teams. But, after Pain Supression on warriors (which is what all 4 dps teams usually go for) does help them from reduce lot of dmg being taken. Just make sure that if you notice you're going against sPriest and warlock, expect that that team will be 4 dps, and make sure you're warrior is ready to go defensive stance and spell reflect on.

Going against 4 dps team is actually a counter for 2345 combos; to be able to beat them, you need to survive their CC in the first 30 second of the fight and after that they're pretty much useless + sPriest is probably oom by then.
(P.S: If 4 dpsers go for other targets like you're healer for example, you need to do your best to lock out the casters/dpsers and their main assit dmg because its the dps that wins the game, not the healers. Always play defensively in beginning.)

[Cursiver]

ok ok ok... i 5v5'd and 2v2'd with both specs for long periods of times... 5v5 disciplin is like a million times better. Targetable pain supression has taken my team to new levels. Some heavy burn teams would kill us just because they could make you exspload without getting heals, but in doing that they pop all there cooldowns, so if i time pain supression right, which is easy to do (when there about to die) it can get me throu that one crucial moment that most 4 dps teams depend on. Plus Blessed Resil is like, a tad better then focus will. In giving up that tad you get so much, so plz just do it. 2v2 is annoying either way, i like pain supression cuz its an Oh shit button, and i hate that pallys have Oh shit buttons and i dont, so now i do and i enjoy it very much.
CHASTISE MAN!

[renovatio]

i'd definitely think disc is better than 28/33 against 4 dps teams if you're in a 2345 team. The key to beating 4 dps teams, especially w/ a shaman in there, is to survive long enough for you to dispel/purge all their heroisms off upon their heroism burst. To counter that, I pop PS on the FFed target (usually the warrior, sometimes our shaman), PI our paladin, and go on offensive dispel/offhealing the FFed target. USually with both my shaman and I doing dispel work before they pop their heroism, we can get their heroisms off very quickly. Once you survive that heroism burst, you will most likely win the fight. The key to winning against a good 4 dps team is that your paladin has to stagger his bubble with your PS/PI. If you use all 3 at the same time, your paladin will be taken down after his bubble fades.

If you're able to survive without bubble and simply with PS/PI/Offheal through the heroism burst, you will win the fight. 40% reduction in damage + 20% healing on your main healer is much much better than 10% healing on you.

As for FW vs BS. Imo, FW is much better. Against active dispelers/purgers, your FW actually takes the purges and dispels and lower the chance of your instant-cast heals/shields/HoTs from being dispeled/purged. In many cases that's a good thing. FW also provides a counterweight to MS/Wounding and make your paladin's job a lot easier. Remember, 1 paladin's heal is always much much more than 1 DPS's damage.

[Earrl]

Yeah Bro, stick with Disc. This week (in the Ruin BG as well), we made a killing on 4 DPS teams. They loved it.

[Alaran]

haha now that i think about it earrl I have been playing you a decent amount this week I think... Yea I think im going to tough it out with disc. I have mainly been doing some 2v2s. My 3v3 has gone to shyt lack of ability to get the team on and same with 5s... since i went disc. we havent even been able to play we got 12 games this week its kinda sad.