Rogue's best partner for 2v2 (RDruid/HPriest/warlock/mage?)

[MentalPROblem]

Hello, there. I personaly don't have my own opinion on this matter since I didn't give all of those combo's a good enough try. From what it feels like, I like playing with RDruid more than with HPriest (but that's just what I feel like and doesn't make it better whatsoever). I have really played quite a few matches in 2dps teams and it's completely another feeling (which I don't seem to like) when you realise you no longer have that strong healer behind your back and it's much more on your own here. I realise that the question 'what's best' is basicaly stupid and rather maximalistic (this world isn't just black and wait, good and bad, best and worst). But what combination do you reckon offers rogue more perspective in 2v2 bracket? I checked the top 100-200 teams on different battlegroups and it seems like there are much more rogue/HPriest teams there than the one with RDruid. So this is rather a vote thread, just your opinion. When you say this combo or that combo is better, could you explain what its' unique power is? What's HPriest/rogue combo's advantage over RDruid/rogue, where they are better and where it's worse? What specc do you suggest for certain combinations and why? What's better 28/32/0 HPriest or deep disc?
After all it more about the person's skills, meaning that good RDruid>>random HPriest and good HPriest>>random RDruid.
So I would just appriciate if you guys could provide your view on this matter, just share your expirience.
Thanks in advance.

[rot]

Rogue/Spriest imo

[Teirisias]

Rogue/Spriest imo

QFT... now if only mine would get his video card fixed!

[herreth]

Rotard and Teirisias im surprised to hear you two saying Shadowpriest/rogue

Because about 2-3 months ago when i asked on "ask a gladiator forum" about the troubles me and my brother were having against teams when we were playing Shadowpriest/rogue, people told me that the priest should respecc holy/disc and suddenly people say that shadowpriest is better.

Hes now finally decked almost fully out in merciless priest healing gear and i dont see how the situation has changed.

Arguably Rogue/shadowpriest is stronger now with Hemmo being a splendid option for 2dps teams, but changes such as healing gear also granting damage work in favor of holy priest/rogue and well to sum i up, i dont see why this combo isnt great.

[rot]

Well, a month ago, I go to 2600+ with a shadowpriest. So, I might be a little biased.

As far as shadow vs holy with a rogue, shadow is 100x better. Basically, holy priest/rogue = auto loss against warrior teams. That's definitely not the case with a Spriest/rogue team.

Frankly, I think the gladiator that answered you was an idiot. I think that's why they're changing some of the requirements for who can answer in those forums.

[buena]

Auto loss against warrior teams
Auto loss against hunter teams
Can still struggle with warlock healer teams or 2dps that play correctly

I'm giving up on it and speccing shadow next season. I think the synergy just isn't there - rogue is limited by cooldowns and therefore needs fast games, which healer teams generally do not play. In the meantime I'm gonna offer my mage or rogue as a partner for my poor rogue buddy who beleived me when I told him my hpriest was going to be a good partner.

To answer the original question I beleive warlock and spriest are the best rogue partners for 2v2. Although I am curious to test the viability of double rogue after all the 2.3 buffs.

[Xasha]

Auto loss against warrior teams
Auto loss against hunter teams
Can still struggle with warlock healer teams or 2dps that play correctly

I'm giving up on it and speccing shadow next season. I think the synergy just isn't there - rogue is limited by cooldowns and therefore needs fast games, which healer teams generally do not play. In the meantime I'm gonna offer my mage or rogue as a partner for my poor rogue buddy who beleived me when I told him my hpriest was going to be a good partner.

To answer the original question I beleive warlock and spriest are the best rogue partners for 2v2. Although I am curious to test the viability of double rogue after all the 2.3 buffs.

This. I was going to type basically the same thing, but it's already there.

Short version: Rogues need to win before they run out of cooldowns, and that's difficult to do as single-DPS. Rogue has excellent synergy with other DPS classes that can CC.

[Ensky]

if your bg has a lot of SL/SL WLs+healer teams holypriest/rogue is great, but if your bg is dominated by warrior teams spriest/rogue is better.

On Shadowburn (EU) We have like 17 Warlock teams in the top 20 region so I prefer playing with a hpriest.


(the 2v2 team I am on atm is for point selling.. real team is rated 2.3+ right now)

[Karthera]

Rogue/s-priest. Warlock would be a close second.

[Lasae]

Who knows, boomkin might work....

but from my experience playing with SP works better than holy/disc priest.

[Gabel]

Who knows, boomkin might work....



It can, but to a lesser extent than, say, warlock or spriest.

[Bobblehead]

im kinda partial to druids just because i love cyclone rotations with my 49/0/12 spec and burstin em cyclone burst cyclone

[Kadrix]

Warlock or a Mage can work quite well. If you can coordinate shatter combo with a CB mutilate it can be pretty devastating. Only issue is if a mage is getting locked down by a melee, it is a lot harder for him to output much damage compared to what the warlock can do.

[Eternia]

Anything but a paladin, amirite? /snicker

[Bobblehead]

i ran with a pally to 2150 and yeah its god awful lol

[Kadrix]

Eternia's just taking a shot at my 2v2 cause he's scared we will outrank em when S3 hits :p.

Gonna be doing Warlock/Rogue next season and roll with that to glad anyways.

[Atare]

For season 3 go disc priest/rogue; druid/rogue has been dying throughout season 2 and is now mediocre at best. I've been playing muti rogue + resto druid for 2 seasons, while in s1 it was a good setup, with the introduction of tier6 gear and the sudden increase in number of 2dps teams (spriest/rogue in particular) and drain teams (who doesn't love sl/sl locks?), you are looking at at least 8 counter teams which you will fight 70% of the time.

Edit: disc priest instead of shadow because in my opinion it will be stronger in every aspect- while you will still have an incredible cc-cycle into nuke capability, playing against 2dps teams will be too easy with PS, pom & shield.

[Bobblehead]

beating sl lock druid really isnt too hard as rogue druid it just takes knowing how to use the advantages you have and when to burst and rotate cyclones. also a heavy assasin/sub mutilate works better with this setup from everything ive done, and also makes 2 dps teams pretty easy to deal with. the only weakness i find rogue druid to have is warrior druid and warrior shaman. everything else is workable.

[Atare]

sl/sl warlock + resto druid is completely unbeatable as rogue + druid... what kind of burst are you talking about (13khp 500resi, soullink, +26% healing, siphon life & drain), the druid can drink for 20 seconds flat and you still won't be able to kill the warlock. Remember that fear, coex, cyclone and roots are on different dr's, all they have to do is chain cc you and drain the druid and it's a game. It may be true that after the nerf to mana drain, you can beat the more sucky teams with this setup but against 2 capable players, you don't stand a chance.

To your list of counter teams you should add: sl/sl lock + druid, sl/sl lock + paladin, rogue + shadow priest, warrior + paladin. You have absolutely no chance of beating those teams unless you are extremely lucky or they need to l2p.

Disc/shadow priest + rogue combo has far far far lower error margin and has less counter teams, I don't recommend anyone running with druid in season3 if they are aiming for the top.

edit: the statement that sub mutilate is better in 20+ min fights is some kind of a sick joke, I hope?

[Critickle]

WARLOCK ROGUE(biased)

or spriest rogue

druid rogue is not really that good as it's just a worse version of druid warrior or druid warlock.

healpriest rogue used to be good because you could apply massive pressure to a dps while stunlocking it. this would allow the priest to spam burn the healer who was finally forced to heal his partner after LOS'ing a bit(often a pally back then). But now that it's mainly druids, that doesn't work at all as druids just toss a heal, then schwff around the corner faster than a burn can go off.

frostmage/rogue can work too

also, crazy idea, but with iceblock trainable. I think it's possible that apfire mage + rogue might work in the future.

[Bobblehead]

sl/sl warlock + resto druid is completely unbeatable as rogue + druid...


i dont know how you can say this, the game starts u sap the lock and drop the felhunter almost imediately, he summons a blueberry you just stay on the lock, when blueberyy is to 20% druid can either now with spelldmg kill the pet or cyclone the lock you switch to pet and finish it. you both have to be good at keeping the lock from normal summoning another, increased blind range helps on that.

Sure good druids heal the pet also and keep it alive for a long time but eventually most of em slip up, if its taking to long you can keep cripping the pet druid drinks np if it comes to it can even blind it.

The lock getting away from rogue ? thats a joke if the locks getting away find a new druid cuz roots and cyclone and ur back on him.

Also you say they chain cc you, this is correct, your druid needs to get the jump over theres, and you get cycloned? oh no your druid cyclones the lock and its even game.

As far as the other combos you listed, paladin lock? lol free win i dont care how good they are, pally warrior yeh thats prolly a loss but easier than shaman or druid, rogue SP, this ones kinda very much dependent on opener.

no offense to you but maybe you need to learn to play this combo better cuz it sounds like you rely on getting lucky, and looks like you really dont even play on your teams.

[Atare]

Man, where do I start...

i dont know how you can say this, the game starts u sap the lock and drop the felhunter almost imediately, he summons a blueberry you just stay on the lock, when blueberyy is to 20% druid can either now with spelldmg kill the pet or cyclone the lock you switch to pet and finish it. you both have to be good at keeping the lock from normal summoning another, increased blind range helps on that.

I don't know what kind of a battlegroup are you playing in, but you sound like you were talking about a different game. Lets just assume that I get that sap (doesn't happen 90% of the time), after this- in normal games, with 2 players on opposing team, both using their 2 hands and 10 fingers- it will take you at least 5 minutes to down the felhunter. As for the VW, I don't know what kind of a team let you kill that bastard, my condolences to their future children.

*newsflash* keeping them from resummoning even the 3rd pet is not possible between trinket/cc cycles. So they will fall behind for few mins, but eventually they WILL resummon the pet and there is nothing you can do about it. You sitll lose on mana.

Yes, yes. Druid with spell dmg will kill the pet, yes, yes... dream on. Please check the resistances that apply to felhunter, check the fact that it heals itself by eating blooms off it's target- then come again and rephrase.

Sure good druids heal the pet also and keep it alive for a long time but eventually most of em slip up, if its taking to long you can keep cripping the pet druid drinks np if it comes to it can even blind it.

The lock getting away from rogue ? thats a joke if the locks getting away find a new druid cuz roots and cyclone and ur back on him.

Also you say they chain cc you, this is correct, your druid needs to get the jump over theres, and you get cycloned? oh no your druid cyclones the lock and its even game.

Maybe you missed it, probably because the horrible players you were lucky to be queued against, didn't use it- there is that one little thingy called SPELL LOCK. And please, don't add anything to what you already said because we will end up with the statement that rogue/druid have better cc than lock/druid. Now the amount of /rofling I will be doing after that might kill me, so please spare me.

As far as the other combos you listed, paladin lock? lol free win i dont care how good they are, pally warrior yeh thats prolly a loss but easier than shaman or druid, rogue SP, this ones kinda very much dependent on opener.

no offense to you but maybe you need to learn to play this combo better cuz it sounds like you rely on getting lucky, and looks like you really dont even play on your teams.

Please, tell me how you are getting those free wins vs paladin/warlock, I would really like to know, seriously.

Btw in the future you might want to hold your horses with all the l2p statements and rethink what you are typing... My team has played 291 games this season, I have participated in 224 of those- CLEARLY you are right here as well. Get a clue.

[Bobblehead]

honestly no point in arguing it what works for me may not for you but, really no point tho cuz it works for me. better luck to you, i wont toss out L2P but try working on what you do if you can't beat em try somethin else, even an idea that may seem stupid.

[Atare]

It's you, my friend, who is mistaken and you don't even have the balls to admit it. Reading your stuff almost makes me feel like I typed forums.worldofwarcraft.com...

If it works for you, it's not because you are so brilliant or so lucky but simply because teams in your BG SUCK MONKEY'S ASS.

[Bobblehead]

ok ya know what i was trying to be nice with you but fuck it, yeah i must not be a good rogue and all the teams in the 2300+ brackets must suck, it cant possibly be because you don't play well as this setup? instead of trying to make yourself look like an internet badass try to learn some shit and play a setup to its full potential. i used to be just like you. thought i couldnt beat certain setups, especially lock druid, but we reworked our strat i went to a new spec and we started beating these teams. so ya know what you wanna make this a grade school name calling thing, go elsewhere like those wow forums u so kindly posted, either way i'm done trying to help with a lost cause.
/end post, and dne arguing with you

[Atare]

Are you retarded or what?

In case you didn't notice, I was trying to keep a civil and nice debate over the best setups available for rogue in next season. Each and every of my posts is backed up with arguments. It's YOU who jumped on me with your latest golden thoughts- maybe it was someone else typing for you, let me remind you: you told me to l2p, stated that I got my ratings through luck and at the end you /lol'ed that I don't even play in my teams.

So... maybe get some sleep, come back, re-read the whole thread and try to put 2-3 sentences that make sense.

I HAVE played that setup to it's fullest potential, for 2 season now, I don't need some arrogant stubborn individual to give me advice which is worth nothing.

[jzrogue]

heh i know racials are a taboo subject, but it very much depends on whats racials you have as well.

[koroshi]

Human should play with shadow priest for fear ward.

Everyone else should play with lock for stealth detect.

[Lopos]

Rogue/Spriest imo

qft

[worshipmultani]

Last season i rolled with spriest/rogue, very good combo. But my rogue partner from last season played with a holy priest this season and i went with a lock. The rogue did pretty similar both seasons(around 2300 rating), it really just depends what you run up against. The advantage to rogue/shadpriest is there isn't many makeups that are its bane, but on the flip side, there is more margin for error when palying with a holy priest, one early missed cc can cost shad/rogue a game vs many makeups.

On another note, rogue/lock isnt nearly as good, the two classes just dont synergize as well. To put it in perspective my shad priest/afi lock gets annihilated by most all rogue teams, and yet for the season we have a definite winning record over rogue/lock, even post patch.

Dont neglect the possibility of frost mage either, especially after the next mini patch.

[Critickle]

Last season i rolled with spriest/rogue, very good combo. But my rogue partner from last season played with a holy priest this season and i went with a lock. The rogue did pretty similar both seasons(around 2300 rating), it really just depends what you run up against. The advantage to rogue/shadpriest is there isn't many makeups that are its bane, but on the flip side, there is more margin for error when palying with a holy priest, one early missed cc can cost shad/rogue a game vs many makeups.

On another note, rogue/lock isnt nearly as good, the two classes just dont synergize as well. To put it in perspective my shad priest/afi lock gets annihilated by most all rogue teams, and yet for the season we have a definite winning record over rogue/lock, even post patch.

Dont neglect the possibility of frost mage either, especially after the next mini patch.

rogue/lock is perfectly fine. I don't know if pointing out that your particular team has a winning record over rogue/lock puts it into perspective. o.o

That being said, my rogue/lock team has never lost to lock/spriest. -_-

[Zen]

rogue + disc/holy priest... i know, druid/warrior teams are tough... but they are doable.

[rot]

rogue/lock is perfectly fine. I don't know if pointing out that your particular team has a winning record over rogue/lock puts it into perspective. o.o

That being said, my rogue/lock team has never lost to lock/spriest. -_-

Rogue/lock should beat rogue/spriest, but that's where rogue/lock being better ends. Rogue/lock has a distinct lack of dispels (1 every 6 seconds just isn't enough), a lack of timed burst (yeah, you can get lucky and pop out a couple of nightfall procs, but that's completely random), and a lack of heals (you have drain life, and that's good to an extent, but what if they're ignoring you and beating on your rogue? he just dies). Rogue/spriest just brings so much more to the fight.

[krithius]

I agree completely with Rotard here. I've been with Fmage, warlock (affliction and demo), druid, priest, spriest, rogue, feral druid ect.

I was a bit naive to start off with SPriest/Rogue but it seems that it really IS the strongest combo for a rogue, the dispelling the shields and the "switchout and heal" mode is really nice. I was 100% sure a warlock was better but they really arent, shadowpriests are defintly the best partner for a rogue to go with by far. I would suggest it to anyone, get a skilled spriest that knows how to play WELL in PvP and you can go really far.

The thing I love about the combo is anything with a druid is like "whoo" because druid/warlock or druid/warrior 90% of the time you can win against and that IS the strongest combo in 2v2 atm. The other thing is, the burst on Fmages and warlocks sucks, it really does... your not getting anything down as fast as a spriest/rogue, i think me and my spriest partner have taken a druid in full merc from 100% to 0% in around 5-6seconds (quite a few times) and it was a very well know druid too from our battlegroup :o

And also Rogues> warlocks quite badly, even if there SL with 15k hp, they get raped pretty quickly. Not much you can do about it either when they've got evasion up :/

Krith.

[koroshi]

Spriest/rogue and lock/rogue are both very strong. Tongues + wound poison though goes a long way towards shutting down a healer, arguably way better than a spriest could do with his one 4 second silence every 45 seconds.

[krithius]

Spriest/rogue and lock/rogue are both very strong. Tongues + wound poison though goes a long way towards shutting down a healer, arguably way better than a spriest could do with his one 4 second silence every 45 seconds.

A shadowpriest does ALOT more burst damage and can spam dispel on healers which makes a very big diffrence. AR/Prep spec I can take down a priest within 5-10 seconds with my SP with no shield on him or stam/innerfire ect

Guess it depends on your playstyle

[Megalomaniac]

One thing definitely underestimated is Paranoia from the felhunter. This makes finding druids vs war druids a complete joke, I can see them from half the arena away usually. Versus any rogue (not human) I can usually get the sap off on him even if he has 5/5 MOD leading to a huge early advantage.

The only real advantage I can see for SPriest Rogue is vs Warlock Healer teams. If SPriest Rogue can consistantly beat this combo they are pretty much unstoppable.

[krithius]

One thing definitely underestimated is Paranoia from the felhunter. This makes finding druids vs war druids a complete joke, I can see them from half the arena away usually. Versus any rogue (not human) I can usually get the sap off on him even if he has 5/5 MOD leading to a huge early advantage.

The only real advantage I can see for SPriest Rogue is vs Warlock Healer teams. If SPriest Rogue can consistantly beat this combo they are pretty much unstoppable.

Look how many +druid teams there are, the only problem i found with warlock is that they do shit damage SL and thats the only viable spec. My spriest does alot more damage then a warlock even overtime and with 2/2 in heightened sense .. i always find druid/rogues way before they find me.

[Megalomaniac]

Yeah I know I wouldn't trade my lock for any SPriest on the server. I would go with the best SPriest / Lock / Mage you can find. I do agree, however, that any top combo is heavily dependant on racials.