Resto Shaman: Worst healer?

[Eriul]

I was inspired to maybe get some advice, or something today. My 3v3 was sitting at about 2230(about 20 rating above my brackets cutoff for gladiator), so we wanted to play some games today just to top it off. We got screwed on about 100 rating due to, DC's, and not being able to load the match last week. So 2250 or so was easily duable. We figured, since none of us are being nerfed 2.3 really, we were fine. I run Shadow priest/mace rogue/Resto shammy btw, one of few viable combos for a resto shammy.

We start off, we get warlock/resto druid/warrior. I get targeted, by some miracle, I dunno how, but I just got obliterated. I never ever got smoked so easily. I must have got mace stunned 3x as much as I ever did before. We lose about 30 rating playing that team 2x, losing both.

Then, the already amazing 3v3 combo, priest/rogue/mage. You guys know what I am talking about. Well, my teams main strat for this team, the only one that has worked, is go for the priest. Now with new disc, I don't even know the change, apparently, priests are incredibly hard to kill. We lose to this combo over and over again. We dropped a ton, and decided &%$& it, let's keep going. We lose 150 rating TODAY. We went 1-14. We played what we thought was good, we just got owned everytime. I know bad days happen. But this day didn't seem like a "bad day." Mistakes were made but it seemed that my team got 2.3 OWNED.

Now after all of that, I want to ask you guys, Why take a resto shammy? For any bracket, please enlighten me. I really want to know, because resto shammy's already did pretty terrible. But with the new buffs to druids/priests, I don't even know if we are anywhat viable, ever. Seriously considering quitting if my team doesn't bounce back. It was basically the only team I made work. Any other resto shammy having problems? I really want to know wtf, cuz I don't see many resto shammy as it is top pages of Battlegroups. It might be me, I dunno.

[Sernius]

I ran with a resto shammy in all brackets, their main use is basically a meat shield with windfury, extra shocks and grounding totems

Really dont think theres any question they're the weakest PvP healers atm

Earthshield really needs some lovin and they may be somewhat viable

[Porkmuffin]

Earthshield really needs some lovin and they may be somewhat viable

that be a nice start, but much more is needed to bring shamans up to par with any of the other healers.

[Eriul]

Yah I mean, I know some make it work. I usually try to. I am not the best, but I hate seeing n00b resto druids getting gladiator, cuz they are OP. Priests look to be scary as hell for 5v5 and 3v3.

It's stupid though, because shammy were already weak pre 2.3. They say we are getting a mana conservation buff, well, it sucked.

[Alphatier]

I think resto shamans are very viable, they just have their niche that you need to utilize:
Resto druid -> Survival, CC, healing while moving
Paladin -> Support, Healing like a king when being left alone
Priest -> Offensive and defensive support, mana burn, instants, and heals if needed, but uses a lot of mana
Shaman -> Dmg Support, annoys the enemy team (grounding, earthshock), most aggressive of the four

The problem is that you actually need someone protecting you as a resto shaman against certain teams. That's where I come into play (or on more regular 5v5 teams, shadow priests). There will be no warrior or rogue hurting my shaman, curses will not be our problem, and burst damage generally not (earthshock, warstomp, cyclone, grounding). I will be able to heal against those pesky 3 dps | shadowpriest/warlock teams.

So while the other healers might seem overpowered compared to resto shamans, excellent shamans still fight well. My teams are proof

[gatoja]

resto shaman are probably (and by probably I mean they are) the weakest solo healers. They NEED to be on double healer 3v3's and tri healer 5v5's.

[Porkmuffin]

The problem is that you actually need someone protecting you as a resto shaman against certain teams. That's where I come into play (or on more regular 5v5 teams, shadow priests). There will be no warrior or rogue hurting my shaman, curses will not be our problem, and burst damage generally not (earthshock, warstomp, cyclone, grounding). I will be able to heal against those pesky 3 dps | shadowpriest/warlock teams.

So while the other healers might seem overpowered compared to resto shamans, excellent shamans still fight well. My teams are proof


yea.. the point of it is all the other healers are able to handle themselves and not need any outside support, unlike a shaman they arn't gimped

[Sylvar]

resto shaman are fine the way they are.

[Porkmuffin]

resto shaman are fine the way they are.
yea... good thing you've been playing one for so long

[Sylvar]

yea... good thing you've been playing one for so long

Only since 1.4 patch.

[Synir]

I think resto shamans have 3 really nice advantages over their other healbot equivalents. Playing to those strengths might make the difference for you.

1. Impossible (or extremely hard) to mana burn and keep you in combat at the same time. They'll need to work very hard, a pet on you will just give you infinite mana. So you automatically win vs groups that are very hard for paladins/priests and dangerous for druids.

2. Vs groups that can't dispel you are very hard to break. Make sure to keep casting water shield if you have a felhunter on you, unless you are getting focused badly. Enter with several buffs to bait dispels on.

3. The totems are really effective, you don't know how scary it is for a warrior on you with MS to proc it and suddenly see your life go way down as a cloth wearer. And grounding totem almost guarantees you can't be chain sheeped for a burst.

4. There are just some settings where different healers simply work better. 2v2 is where druids dominate, but in 5v5 you see far fewer. Priests are nice in 3v3. You need to find the format to shine with your particular strengths.

5. Play some with your 30% damage from healing? Chain lightning seems to be very effective now, but until it's tried it's hard to tell its effect.

I hope that helps. :(

[Porkmuffin]

I think resto shamans have 3 really nice advantages over their other healbot equivalents. Playing to those strengths might make the difference for you.

1. Impossible (or extremely hard) to mana burn and keep you in combat at the same time. They'll need to work very hard, a pet on you will just give you infinite mana. So you automatically win vs groups that are very hard for paladins/priests and dangerous for druids.

2. Vs groups that can't dispel you are very hard to break. Make sure to keep casting water shield if you have a felhunter on you, unless you are getting focused badly. Enter with several buffs to bait dispels on.

3. The totems are really effective, you don't know how scary it is for a warrior on you with MS to proc it and suddenly see your life go way down as a cloth wearer. And grounding totem almost guarantees you can't be chain sheeped for a burst.

4. There are just some settings where different healers simply work better. 2v2 is where druids dominate, but in 5v5 you see far fewer. Priests are nice in 3v3. You need to find the format to shine with your particular strengths.

5. Play some with your 30% damage from healing? Chain lightning seems to be very effective now, but until it's tried it's hard to tell its effect.

I hope that helps. :(

....... we have no mana regan via spirit making in while casting mana impossible to get unless you stack MP5. then blizzard again nerfed that aspect by giving shaman crit over MP5 on our pvp gear. a pointless stat that shamans get no benefit out of it. Because of the lack gems will only take you so far unless you use PVE gear which lack res, which is still a important stat to have.

on top of that grounding got nerfed. which is only another draw back to the class.

And what combo as no means of removing a buff, show me ONE top tier combo that cant remove a singal buff. (for 3v3/5v5)

the fact that you say a shaman is better at LoSing mana burns then other healers is just plan bullshit we have NO instant heal other then a 3min NS.

pallys have holy shock druids ever everything, and priest have a shield renew and PoM. all instant. other then the pally all other abilities work while out of LoS. so to say that a shaman is best suited for not getting drained is just bull shit.

Yes we can stop a CAST every 6secs for 2secs for that school. very nice but by no means a counter spell or even close too it.

Shamans are also the ONLY class in wow with NO form of CC at all. if you count EB you just suck as anyone can target the totem and hit it.

Which brings me to the point of the shaman buff system which is broken again to all hell, buffs that are effected by distance and work off a pulse system, then on top of it ANYONE can remove them.

I know how to play my shaman, but trying to argue that shaman are fine is just pointless as all other classes have an one up on us.

And the idea of find a bracket that works just doesnt work. No cc= no 2v2
No anti cc= no 2v2. Everything i do a priest can do much better, and not just a priest. For 5's again a joke as you bring nothing to the table other then BL which you are better off being Elemental and a cheesey Warrior/mage/PRIEST/pally/shaman

wow everyone and there mom plays that...

"wall of text crits you for 100k"


in short anything i can do, you can do better

[Sylvar]

top tier 3:
warrior, paladin, R.druid
Look,no dispel!

2v2;anyway, he's talking about watershield. Shaman are decently strong in 2v2 where players cannot dispell, and where dispelling actually costs too much time/mana sometimes. Spellcrit is a bless. mana/5 is a pve stat ( given us 100 mana/5 would make the set too strong vor pve). You got water, drink that. The +crit on our gear gives us enough time to get some drinks in.

5v5; We're the hardest healer to burst down. Nature's guardien and earthshield ( i know,dispell and cooldown, but dispelling means less bursting). I agree our manaregen is lacking in 5v5. I think elemental and enhancement are fine here though.

I don't do 3v3 seriously so I can't tell for sure, but I think ( hope) groundingtotem and our high bursthealing is the best against triple dps.

[Sykeasaurus]

http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Agamaggan&n=Cannii

dunno, he seems to do it well.

[Synir]

....... we have no mana regan via spirit making in while casting mana impossible to get unless you stack MP5. then blizzard again nerfed that aspect by giving shaman crit over MP5 on our pvp gear. a pointless stat that shamans get no benefit out of it.

No, I meant due to water shield in 2.3 that costs 0 mana and returns 600 mana per 3 charges. If they mana burn you, it's far less effective, and without a pet on you it'll be that much easier to find a way to drink. If there is a pet then you will never run out of mana as long as you recast the shield.

[Steamboat]

The main reason we bring a resto sham to 5v5 is so we can have bloodlust and still have 2 CC with a 3 DPS group.

[xarg]

Resto shamans are both easier to CC and easier to focus on than pretty much any other healer. Easily purgable buffs and removable totems. There really is very little the shaman offers that other classes don't.

Resto shamans definitely need work.

5v5; We're the hardest healer to burst down. This is completely false. Priests have blessed resilience and a whole arsenal of instant casts they can use when they're being focused. Paladins have an immunity bubble. This is why they're the 2 preferred healers for 5v5s. Druids are too easy to kill and shamans aren't too far behind.

[Kazin]

top tier 3:
warrior, paladin, R.druid
Look,no dispel!

How often do you run into that team? Yes, teams exist that can't purge, but it doesn't make them even remotely common.



5v5; We're the hardest healer to burst down. Nature's guardien and earthshield ( i know,dispell and cooldown, but dispelling means less bursting). I agree our manaregen is lacking in 5v5. I think elemental and enhancement are fine here though.

Nature's Guardian? It's great for 2v2 or something, but it does NOT scale with DPS.

Consider the following: a paladin's bubble blocks all damage, no matter whether it's one person hitting him or four. A priest's blessed resilience applies to all targets hitting him. A shaman's nature's guardian...procs once every 5 seconds for the same amount of healing, regardless of how many people are attacking him. It's nice to get back 1.2k health against a single rogue DPSing you in 2v2 or something, but it scales approximately not-at-all as more people start trying to kill you. Earth shield has the same fault.

And earth shield...my experience has been that focus-fire DPS comes with a good bit of stunning. Purge it off, and maybe I'll get a new one up a few seconds later when cheap shot wears off, or after kidney shot wears off, or this blackout proc finishes, or whatever other stuns people feel like throwing.

http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Agamaggan&n=Cannii

dunno, he seems to do it well.


Really, Syke, there's always an example of a good team make-up and strategy making something work. It doesn't mean there aren't serious problems. A resto sham on a 1st place 5v5 team (similarly, there are some resto druids on #1 5v5 teams) doesn't really outweigh the other few dozen #1 teams running paladins and priests.

I ran into a hunter/resto sham at 2250 rating in 2v2 a few days ago (before 2.3). They were extremely good, but it doesn't mean hunters, as a class, are instantly on par with other DPS classes in 2v2. Though maybe they are now that the patch is live, I dunno. :P

[Sylvar]

ofcourse bubble is better. 5 sec cooldown vs 5 minutes. DUH, it SHOULD be better. if we had the same defence as paladins while being able to earthshock and purge around. LOl, not gonna happen.

btw, some class has got to be the worst, and I don't think shaman are bad off.

[buena]

It kind of boggles me to see a 10k armor unbuffed class bitching about priest survivability. Priests have some advantages in many makeups. Survivability is not one of them.

[Laraon]

Well, I've played with all 4 healers in my battlegroup
Shaman are the weakest, and out of all of them, the shaman had best gear
They were all skilled, and moderately geared, shaman just don't do as well
They have no bubble of any sort, they have no CCs of any sort
We struggle to stay in 2.1k

[Meloz]

Well, I've played with all 4 healers in my battlegroup
Shaman are the weakest, and out of all of them, the shaman had best gear
They were all skilled, and moderately geared, shaman just don't do as well
They have no bubble of any sort, they have no CCs of any sort
We struggle to stay in 2.1k

Then how can some shamans get over 2.1k rating=/? blaming on the class because you struggle at 2.1k rating is wrong imo

[Eriul]

Wow, maybe this is what people keep complaining about when they say, don't let unqualified players post. A few comments were said, I am not gonna quote them directly but more address what they were saying.

1. An enhance shammy saying we are the hardest healer to burst down

You seriously, have to be joking...

2. Lock saying we can dodge mana burn better then any other healer

You seriously, have to be joking... We would have to LoS the mana burner. Ok, that more often then not, means we have to stop healing. Once we're oom, sure. But shammy's weren't meant in 2's and 3's at least for long fights. The new water shield tries to help...but not enough

3. A mage saying we're complaining about survivability. Says, since we have 10k armor, we are more survivable than a priest...

WOW!!! Just WOW!!! You should really stop posting. Seeing as how most teams in any bracket run only 1 melee...and that our 1 instant heal is NS heal... Or how about how easy it is to purge ES. Or how our nature's guardian has a cooldown. Priests survive soooo much easier now than a shaman. And this thread isn't about survivability anyway. It's about our viability as a healer. Sure, our survivibilty ties into that a little, but hardly. So druids/paladins are the best healers always cuz they are the most survivable? No. If you really need me to go farther into this, I can, but maybe you got it through your head, that your post was a complete fail.

[Eriul]

Then how can some shamans get over 2.1k rating=/? blaming on the class because you struggle at 2.1k rating is wrong imo



This post isn't about exceptional players. There are players that make the shaman class work. Ronmexico was one in the Ruin battlegroup. This is something that was addressed but you might not have read the other pages so let me spell it out for you...

JUST BECAUSE 1 PERSON MAKES IT WORK DOESN'T MEAN THE CLASS AS A WHOLE IS GOOD


How many resto shammy you see in 2v2 above 2.1k compared to druids/priests/pallys?

[Kazin]

ofcourse bubble is better. 5 sec cooldown vs 5 minutes. DUH, it SHOULD be better. if we had the same defence as paladins while being able to earthshock and purge around. LOl, not gonna happen.

Wasn't your earlier contention that shamans are the hardest healers to burst down?

Seems like a bit of a stretch to go from that, to "Of course paladins are harder to kill! It'd be unbalanced otherwise!"

I'm not arguing that shammies don't have their own benefits that paladins lack. What I'm arguing is that anyone who says shamans are "the hardest healing class to burst down" is insane. Once again: other classes have defensive abilities that scale with the number of people attacking you. Shamans don't.

[Porkmuffin]

This post isn't about exceptional players. There are players that make the shaman class work. Ronmexico was one in the Ruin battlegroup. This is something that was addressed but you might not have read the other pages so let me spell it out for you...

JUST BECAUSE 1 PERSON MAKES IT WORK DOESN'T MEAN THE CLASS AS A WHOLE IS GOOD


How many resto shammy you see in 2v2 above 2.1k compared to druids/priests/pallys?


i love u

thats THREE shamans that have any clue of how the class works now.

[Porkmuffin]

Wasn't your earlier contention that shamans are the hardest healers to burst down?

Seems like a bit of a stretch to go from that, to "Of course paladins are harder to kill! It'd be unbalanced otherwise!"

I'm not arguing that shammies don't have their own benefits that paladins lack. What I'm arguing is that anyone who says shamans are "the hardest healing class to burst down" is insane. Once again: other classes have defensive abilities that scale with the number of people attacking you. Shamans don't.

Mr. Kazin, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[Eriul]

Mr. Kazin, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


rofl


I wonder how many people got that...

[Sylvar]

This post isn't about exceptional players. There are players that make the shaman class work. Ronmexico was one in the Ruin battlegroup. This is something that was addressed but you might not have read the other pages so let me spell it out for you...

JUST BECAUSE 1 PERSON MAKES IT WORK DOESN'T MEAN THE CLASS AS A WHOLE IS GOOD


How many resto shammy you see in 2v2 above 2.1k compared to druids/priests/pallys?

I got above 2.1k with a HUNTER partner ( yes, a partner that is made for long 10minute fights). And guess what? We're doing FINE. If anything, it's my partner's class mechanics that's gimping us, not mine.
Yes, there are more druids above 2.1k in 2v2. but there are WAY more resto shamans at 2k 5v5 then druids of any spec.
The class is fine as it is. We're not a pure healer and never will be, but we're the best support class in the game .

And imagine a paladin with bubble on Cd, and a shaman with ns on cooldown. I can tell you one thing,that pallie is gonna die first.

We are the ONLY healer that can remove poisons from the whole damn party within the second. It takes a paladin well over 5 seconds to do the same.We are the healer that other healers hate to face due to purge and earthshock. We kite almost as good as paladins ( not even close to druids,but way better then priests). We got 12k AC and HP. We're fine!

Edit: the 2v2 on my armory is not my team, I was just helping out. Check my games played if you don't believe me.

[Eriul]

I got above 2.1k with a HUNTER partner ( yes, a partner that is made for long 10minute fights). And guess what? We're doing FINE. If anything, it's my partner's class mechanics that's gimping us, not mine.
Yes, there are more druids above 2.1k in 2v2. but there are WAY more resto shamans at 2k 5v5 then druids of any spec.
The class is fine as it is. We're not a pure healer and never will be, but we're the best support class in the game .

And imagine a paladin with bubble on Cd, and a shaman with ns on cooldown. I can tell you one thing,that pallie is gonna die first.

We are the ONLY healer that can remove poisons from the whole damn party within the second. It takes a paladin well over 5 seconds to do the same.We are the healer that other healers hate to face due to purge and earthshock. We kite almost as good as paladins ( not even close to druids,but way better then priests). We got 12k AC and HP. We're fine!

Edit: the 2v2 on my armory is not my team, I was just helping out. Check my games played if you don't believe me.

I dunno what 2k 5v5 you looking at, but there are by far more druids than shammy's in most of the BG's I have looked at.

And no, the pally will not die first. And no we cannot kite nearly anywhat as close to good as a paladin. Priests, sure, but not anywhere close to pallys.

Earth shock? Yup earth shock is so amazing when 2 of the other 3 healers RARELY HAVE TO HARDCAST!

The class is not fine, you are ignorrant and unintellectual.

P.S. As far as your armory goes, all I see is a 1964 5v5 which is top 80. And you wearing a 2H, specced r tard spec. Sorry sir, but give me a good armory page, and then your words will mean something.

[xarg]

It kind of boggles me to see a 10k armor unbuffed class bitching about priest survivability. Priests have some advantages in many makeups. Survivability is not one of them.Yeah, a talent like blessed resilience, and the new pain suppression, wow, priests are screwed for survivability. Oh wait, they're actually quite hard to burst down. Not every dps class is melee, far from it.

[Sylvar]

I dunno what 2k 5v5 you looking at, but there are by far more druids than shammy's in most of the BG's I have looked at.

And no, the pally will not die first. And no we cannot kite nearly anywhat as close to good as a paladin. Priests, sure, but not anywhere close to pallys.

Earth shock? Yup earth shock is so amazing when 2 of the other 3 healers RARELY HAVE TO HARDCAST!

The class is not fine, you are ignorrant and unintellectual.

P.S. As far as your armory goes, all I see is a 1964 5v5 which is top 80. And you wearing a 2H, specced r tard spec. Sorry sir, but give me a good armory page, and then your words will mean something.

I do not even have a twohander.
Any heal that can't be earthshocked can be purged.
I am ENHANCEMENT RAIDSPECCED. Or did you think I'd pvp with <8k hp?
I don't think someone with improved ghostwolf ( lol leveling talent) or improved healingwave ( how often do you use it -.-) with no nature's guidance should tell me how to spec. Your spec is flawed and made for raiding.
As far as rating goes, I do not know if those are your real teams, If they are, my 2v2 and 5v5 are higher then yours, and I rarely see druids in 5v5. And those I see are usually Balance spec. The very few Resto druids I see are in 4dps teams, and we beat those with ease.
For 2v2, for 3v3, yeah, we're not the best there and druids are seen more often. For 5v5, we're one of the best. As for kiting goes, l2p? It's not hard.

Btw you're mp/5 is below 50, maybe that's your problem.

Edit: to the tauren above me; the new pain suppression is a survivability nerf.
And to make the weapon clear: I'm duelingwielding Fury in my offhand, but it's not an armory file yet,so it can't show you.
Fury is the Offhand from ZA btw.

[Meloz]

To the above poster,you never use healing wave O_o? esp in 2v2 vs healer + dps

[Kazin]

I don't think someone with improved ghostwolf ( lol leveling talent) or improved healingwave ( how often do you use it -.-) with no nature's guidance should tell me how to spec.

So, just to be clear, you're giving a resto shaman a hard time for having improved healing wave? And also for not having a talent that gives +3% hit, which means very little in PvP for a resto shaman (a) because healing spells don't get resisted, and (b) it only takes 3% of hit on gear to make up for it? At this point I feel like you're just trolling...

I'm writing off everything else you say from this point on, because either you're joking and trying to get a response out of everyone, or you just have no idea what you're talking about.

[dim]

Just because resto shamans dont have good synergy with some classes or cant do just as good as paladins,priests and druids on the popular team setups doesnt mean they are as weak as some people think.For sure resto shamans have weaknesses and could use some tuning,especially with ES,but provided the right teamates i dont see them to be the easiest target to burst down and the things they bring to the table,see: bloodlust,shocks,grounding totem(nerf is @#$!!) ,purge are invaluable to any team.
That being said,yes they are the weakest healers overall atm but NOT by a large margin and not in every situation.I am waiting to see how the +spell dmg from healing is going to affect resto shamans,was tempted to respec just for that but elemental pew seems more fun.

[Meloz]

So, just to be clear, you're giving a resto shaman a hard time for having improved healing wave? And also for not having a talent that gives +3% hit, which means very little in PvP for a resto shaman (a) because healing spells don't get resisted, and (b) it only takes 3% of hit on gear to make up for it? At this point I feel like you're just trolling...

I'm writing off everything else you say from this point on, because either you're joking and trying to get a response out of everyone, or you just have no idea what you're talking about.


@(a) because healing spells don't get resisted

Rank one earth shock and purge can get resisted,shamans does alot more then just healing in arenas.

@(b) it only takes 3% of hit on gear to make up for it? At this point I feel like you're just trolling...

Now im not sure but dosent that like 4-5 gems to reach 3% hit?(afaik there is no + hit on resto shaman pvp gear)

[Eriul]

@ the above poster about my talents.

Improved ghost wolf:

For the setup I was running before, 9/10 I was always the first target. I had a pally, I would get freedom and ghost wolf out. This is a tactic many have used including Ronmexico, prolly one of the best resto shamans in the US.

Improved Healing Wave:

Maybe that's why you suck so much...

Nature's Guidance:

Extra 3% for earth shock is hardly worth the talent points.

Again, you're still at the point where your posts really mean nothing. When you prove you are a viable player, then maybe we can have more intellectual discussions about PvP shamans.

P.S. Your armory shows you with 1 weapon, I mistook it for a 2H. As for your raid spec. You wasted points in resto totems and Healing focus. Lrn2ele talents imo.

[Meloz]

@P.S. Your armory shows you with 1 weapon, I mistook it for a 2H. As for your raid spec. You wasted points in resto totems and Healing focus. Lrn2ele talents imo.

If you are going to insult someone dont do it here please,no need to say "lrn2ele" or what ever realy.

[Sylvar]

As for raidspec goesIt was healingfocus or imp. healingway, imp. Healingway is useless for enh. shaman in raids enviroment, so I took the other one.
As for the resto totem; I admit,it was a filler, thought it'd be somewhat nice cause I got it up all the time anyway. Maybe I should've used it in more shock damage instead,you're right about that. I'll change that before next raid. It was kinda rushed cause I was resto 5min before the invites to ZA :<.

As for healingwave; No, i hardly ever use it. When I do use it, I can manage with 0.5 seconds less casting time, cause I'm not gonna use HW if I'm not sure if I can finish it. I play with an hunter, that means long 10+min fights. Mana is the last of my worries as healer,cause I can just drink up ( they never focus the shaman in hunter/shaman teams). I tried the talent, and for my combo's ( 2v2 hunter, 3v3 with fmage/hunter) it was pretty bad as escape tool. Though, I do kinda miss it in WSG.


As for 5v5, I am more purging and shocking and placing totems then actually healing, and when i heal I use LHW for the buff it gives with the relic ( and it has a higher critchance for the armour buff).

I guess imp. ghostwolf can be usefull if you got a paladin for BOF, my bad. It's just damn worthless without BOF, and arguable with the purgetrains.

I'd much rather stack my gems with some resi then +hit if I can take the talents for it.

What the Dwarf above said:
""That being said,yes they are the weakest healers overall atm but NOT by a large margin and not in every situation."

I full agree with this. Someone's gotta be the weakest, but we're far from really weak and there are a lot of situations where we're usefull.

as for pve goes: proberly best 5man healer, but who cares about that.

[Kazin]

Rank one earth shock and purge can get resisted,shamans does alot more then just healing in arenas.

It's still nothing to mock a person for not having. More personal choice than necessity.

Now im not sure but dosent that like 4-5 gems to reach 3% hit?(afaik there is no + hit on resto shaman pvp gear)

You could still make up for it if you wanted to. 36 hit isn't exactly the hardest thing to come by.

[Porkmuffin]

This thread turned into scrub express

Fucking blueberries.

[Rajin]

Yeah, most of the posters have hit it right on the head. As far as 2's go, all other healers have either utility (cyclone, mana burn) or more efficiency (paladin, duird) then us.

Bloodlust cuts it only against 2 dps in 2v2.

[Sylvar]

Forgot to mention, that 3% hit is a just cause most warlocks got 70 NR with their felpuppy out, and I HATE seeing them resist my earthshocks on a manadrain.

To the guy above me: Can't have it all. We're the only healer with interrupts and snares though.

[Bravehearth]

Forgot to mention, that 3% hit is a just cause most warlocks got 70 NR with their felpuppy out, and I HATE seeing them resist my earthshocks on a manadrain.

To the guy above me: Can't have it all. We're the only healer with interrupts and snares though.

SoJ @ druids fleeing

lol gg gl druid.. Thats a snare

aint it?

shamans are underpowered deal with it stop defending your class

Nice 5v5 rating, its pretty amazing..

[Tyveris]

By request of the original author and numerous reported posts within the thread, this thread is being closed.