5/35/21 for 3s/5s in season 3

[Hypnos]

Anybody else considering this?

I realize the nerfs to sl/sl aren't the end of the world for the spec by a long shot, but drains being affected by ms/wounding and siphon soul not affecting mana drains obviously do have a significant impact on the spec.

You lose CoE, shadow embrace, siphon life, and stronger dots, but you get stronger direct damage and burst from 70% interruptable destro spells, bane shadowburn, ruin, and increased crit

thinking of picking up the s3 staff + crit honor gear, so I should have around 17% base crit, with this spec that would give 22% crit shadowbolts and the possibility of speccing into 32% searing pains in exchange for destructive reach/the 1 pt in mana feed... even considering resilience 70% uninterruptable shadowbolts and high crit searing pains with ruin seems like alot of damage/burst

I was thinking it might good in 3s with druid/rogue/lock or in 5s with a 4 dps team

anybody agree?

[Inevidable]

Nope, not going to be as good as other specs, the time you spend shadowbolting, you probably should be fearing and you will get cced/counterspelled and interrupted non-stop by good teams. It might be decent with a shaman on your teams O.o

[Hypnos]

I wasnt suggesting that you would just stand around casting shadowbolts with this spec. It's still capable of all the control elements of sl/sl besides curse of exhaustion, especially since it has the exact same mana drain now...

its just that it also has the capacity to put out a big burst via shadowbolt > searing pain > shadowburn or whatever when somebody gets low and their healer gets spell lock'd/cycloned/feared.

[Soen]

He is gonna be interrupted either way. Even with gloves bonus, a decent rogue will get the kick off 99% of the time. Same with a warrior. He also has 2 schools of magic, both which are decent at nuking. A Sl/SL gets shut down in 3s whenever you have a dispeller. Kick on fear = you taking it for a good 5 sec or whatever school silence is.

His spec allows him to dot equally as well as SL/SL spec, or FG spec, which gaining the ability to burst his targets due to ruin. You would be surprised what a 2 sec cast soulfire (due to MSD) is capable of doing if it crits.
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There are no other alternatives in 3v3s im afraid. I personally find UA extremely weak now.

[Jullis]

I am also likeing this spec just by thinking about it for my 3s setup with war and pally. It let's me use the fire spells so I am not constantly relying on just shadow. With a paladin aura, my spells will never get pushed back. It gives me more survivability then a non SL spec and allows me to use a felhunter instead of a felguard spec. With nice crit gear, the damage might be pretty good.

Would searing pain spam be better to cast then incinerate? If not, what if i had the extra 10% to crit from talents on searing pain?

[yogert]

IF you have full crit gear, just spec searing pain and only use that. Its great dps and you wont get spell locked easily.

[Critickle]

one pretty much becomes a terrible frost mage or shadowpriest by speccing this, imo.

[Jullis]

one pretty much becomes a terrible frost mage or shadowpriest by speccing this, imo.

You're probably right. Is there anything else besides drain mana, CoT,CoW that makes a lock unique to a frost mage?

[yogert]

To contradict my recent post, Tongues/fear/devour/spell lock are way more important to a group than damage.

[Forensic]

How does CoT / Fear / Devour / Spell lock affect your talents?

You can still do any of those with any spec. But if that is all you do, is CC and no damage, then you aren't doing your part. So if you can max the damage when you do damage, then it might be worth it. I'm trying out the 5/35/21 build. Doesn't mean I have to give up CC.

I play with a shaman and a druid. Druid is boomkin. Shaman will be resto or elemental. Not sure yet. But with all the added spell damage and crit I get from them, if it is a pally healer only, you don't have to even worry about CC really. CoT and doing damage is enough. Same with shamans. Maybe a CoT and one fear...but with the boomkin and shaman doing damage as well, the shaman isn't going to keep up the target. With priests and druids, at first I'll stick my pet on the dps target to devour, and the shaman will purge too. With my pet taking off HOTs...the healer has to cast heal, in which then I can CoT and get to CC while the others continue damage.

I think since unless there are rogues on the other team, you usually are left alone as a SL lock. You might be feared, you might be sheeped, but those are easily breakable. Especially since I have a tremor totem, a grounding totem, I'm undead, and a trinket, and a pet to get me out of sheeps. The spec isn't good now as I don't have all the pvp crit gear, but I think it will help out eventually.

[Kcolraw]

spam shadowbolts with this spec, son, fuck searing pain, doesn't pack enough punch

[Jullis]

Why sbolt when you can incenerate, that way you can leave your shadow school for fears only.

[Abira]

I just speced the ruin spec, just like you wanted too? I usually play FG if i go soul link...


I just went back to UA and can't be happier, coex, instant fear.


I have seen myself grow being UA, I really do believe UA to be a great spec, when people say its weak I really don't know what to say, if you can kite and los properly UA is the best warlock spec period.

I am UA in 3's with a shadowpriest/rogue and we did quite well last season, its so easy to gib people :\

To the OP, here is why your build wont work in anything other then 5's

You have to sit there and cast, any team you play above 2k will not let you stand there and let you cast, this is why I love UA, its instant dots while I use terrain to my advantage, your too vulnerable to interrupts as a ruin spec'd shadowbolter ++++++

here is the big one...

if they see you casting a shadowbolt they have 2+ seconds to hide behind an object, or... a simple cot basically shuts your down entirely.


Dude curse of tongues means you can be left alone the rest of the game lol?

I mean at least as FG you stil have a pocket warrior hitting things with your other instant dots....

[Triza]

if they see you casting a shadowbolt they have 2+ seconds to hide behind an object, or... a simple cot basically shuts your down entirely.
That's where it's fun playing with a rogue. Try los'ing with crippling + stuns.

[Guldaan]

I just speced the ruin spec, just like you wanted too? I usually play FG if i go soul link...


I just went back to UA and can't be happier, coex, instant fear.


I have seen myself grow being UA, I really do believe UA to be a great spec, when people say its weak I really don't know what to say, if you can kite and los properly UA is the best warlock spec period.

I am UA in 3's with a shadowpriest/rogue and we did quite well last season, its so easy to gib people :\

To the OP, here is why your build wont work in anything other then 5's

You have to sit there and cast, any team you play above 2k will not let you stand there and let you cast, this is why I love UA, its instant dots while I use terrain to my advantage, your too vulnerable to interrupts as a ruin spec'd shadowbolter ++++++

here is the big one...

if they see you casting a shadowbolt they have 2+ seconds to hide behind an object, or... a simple cot basically shuts your down entirely.


Dude curse of tongues means you can be left alone the rest of the game lol?

I mean at least as FG you stil have a pocket warrior hitting things with your other instant dots....

If they've got CoT, they got a warlock, if they got a warlock, GG felguard.