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penix
06-25-2008, 05:48 PM
Hows 2on2 going for you guys, giv lock/druid for our rog/priest to eat plz :D

Kubuss
06-25-2008, 05:51 PM
beat a good lock/druid as mage priest lawl

we're like 12-4, 2 due dcs and 1 to lock druid :(

Sharor
06-25-2008, 05:56 PM
3 dc's and well, facing glad teams and coming out winning. We'll get 2k within the week, it'll be fun.

Casta
06-26-2008, 11:46 AM
Met Altik in the 1700's already, fun times~~

Cowking
06-27-2008, 12:07 PM
i met kubuss!

karnxy
06-27-2008, 08:43 PM
I met mooforce, woh!

Sharor
06-28-2008, 08:57 AM
God Altik is shit.

Casta
06-28-2008, 11:11 AM
Is it just me or is there like 101010101010100 restokin/rogue teams playing now?

AND DO THEY ALL FUCKING HAVE 4piece t6/4 piece pvp DOPASkdapodkslx.z

Sharor
06-28-2008, 11:15 AM
Smashed. We play it pvp rogue, so you know how we feel. :<

xrayzor
06-28-2008, 01:15 PM
our last misery bubble thread is gone :/

Jefferson
06-28-2008, 01:16 PM
Is it just me or is there like 101010101010100 restokin/rogue teams playing now?

AND DO THEY ALL FUCKING HAVE 4piece t6/4 piece pvp DOPASkdapodkslx.z

Seems i missed the patch where blizzard created a vendor selling 4 parts t6 and warglaives :/

Casta
06-28-2008, 03:20 PM
Actually what ticks me off more atm is only getting ruins as map. Been like that for a few days now. :/

Lesdo
06-28-2008, 07:28 PM
1928 rating, 122 to go on my warrior!

xrayzor
06-29-2008, 06:15 AM
Seems i missed the patch where blizzard created a vendor selling 4 parts t6 and warglaives :/


Pls show my rogue if you find the vendor?

karnxy
06-29-2008, 02:20 PM
And yeah, **** loads of restokin/rogues running with PvE gear. Sucks facing a mirror where they got mani mani dmg advantagez.

Lidstah
06-29-2008, 05:01 PM
Wheres all the lock teams? im tired of rocketboots sp + t6 rogue with glaives lol..

Shaan
06-29-2008, 09:09 PM
Less druid rogue with 4 t6 please. Can it get any more easymode?

Fallen
07-02-2008, 04:08 AM
Penix, thanks for the games the day before and the day s4 started :D Double UD fucking sucks to play against in mirror comps :P

What did you end on ?

Kubuss
07-02-2008, 09:08 AM
Less druid rogue with 4 t6 please. Can it get any more easymode?

make your priest spec silence and rape em, no joke.

Samdillandul
07-04-2008, 08:20 AM
Havent really started 2v2 serious yet, but hopefully I will meet alot of you guys when i do! give good points!

Kuosi
07-04-2008, 08:36 AM
shit bracket.

Kubuss
07-04-2008, 08:49 AM
why is a rogue saying this

penix
07-04-2008, 09:27 AM
Penix, thanks for the games the day before and the day s4 started :D Double UD fucking sucks to play against in mirror comps :P

What did you end on ?

Hehe yeah, good games, we were at 2300, enough for glad apparently although we didnt think so according to the estimates, so we bombed our rating down to 2100 chain queing against war/druids and hunter/druids, I got so frustrated I even spec'd shadow in hopes to beat this war/druid team that took 100 rating off us. We did beat them and it felt good :P and then proceeded to get beaten the shit of out by mage/rog :<

and so is the way of the 2on2 arena .. :D

Sharor
07-04-2008, 07:40 PM
PvE geared human rogues get shit on. Toshiro m8, seriously I like you but you play faggot comp with that gear. <.<

Toshiro
07-05-2008, 05:09 AM
No faggot was if i played easy mode rogue/druid, not a setup that dependes 60% on openers and 30% on rng

Toshiro
07-05-2008, 05:12 AM
And btw ur losses vs us is your own fault, 2x blind when i have moonfire isnt smart

Kuosi
07-05-2008, 05:06 PM
sry but losing to restokin+rogue with dual human is just big lol

Toshiro
07-05-2008, 05:20 PM
too bad we are not 2 humans :(

Kuosi
07-05-2008, 06:36 PM
oh only one perception :/

Purity
07-06-2008, 07:13 AM
got it to 1971 annnnnnnd got tanked by SKILLFULL rogue druid teams with pve gear


die of sodomy in the ass

Kubuss
07-06-2008, 07:21 AM
havent played in like 10 days <3

Sharor
07-06-2008, 08:19 AM
No faggot was if i played easy mode rogue/druid, not a setup that dependes 60% on openers and 30% on rng

I didnt moonfire blind any of the games we had, cos I couldn't cast for shit.

And in case you missed it, my rogue's in full pvp gear - it makes druid rogue requiring, with pve gear it has next to no counters and is even more shit dominating than warrior druid.

Sharor
07-06-2008, 08:20 AM
PvE rogues are a plague. Im with you all here. Any combo.

Jefferson
07-06-2008, 12:38 PM
Yay got my weapon! shame it looks like a dildo more than anything, but atleast my warrior was happy bout his shineh new mace

Kubuss
07-06-2008, 12:41 PM
just went 0-5 with a 4piece t6 rogue rofl. everytime he'd die in like 5 sec flat to warriors or rogues.

either i got rusty at 2 dps, he sucks or melee damage is insane compared to s2(where i used to play mage rogue and my rogue lived for ages :( )

good thing my priest came home today so 2050 inc np

Jefferson
07-06-2008, 01:25 PM
Sharor :O After reading so many of your rants, pleasure to finaly face you :>

Samdillandul
07-06-2008, 02:49 PM
PvE rogues are a plague. Im with you all here. Any combo.

It's such a damage output difference that it's stupid. Spit on pve gear in arena :<

Lidstah
07-06-2008, 02:54 PM
Why do i never meet any arenajunkies? :(

Kubuss
07-06-2008, 03:01 PM
Why do i never meet any arenajunkies? :(

I WISH

altho squeezer is scary ;<

Lidstah
07-06-2008, 03:27 PM
altho squeezer is scary ;<

naah squeezer is a cute noome

Lidstah
07-06-2008, 03:33 PM
btw altik and verdishas migrated to ravencrest if you guys didnt know..

Kubuss
07-06-2008, 04:28 PM
do you actually beat mage/priest altho there's like 2 people running afaik(shaan and me)

because we basically are like 123213-0 vs sham/warr and we only had 1 20min game where they played super defensive and wouldn't leave their pillar :/

Lidstah
07-06-2008, 04:50 PM
do you actually beat mage/priest altho there's like 2 people running afaik(shaan and me)

because we basically are like 123213-0 vs sham/warr and we only had 1 20min game where they played super defensive and wouldn't leave their pillar :/


No we cant win vs mage priest but its a rare combo, lucky us :)

Toshiro
07-06-2008, 05:26 PM
too many shaman/war teams nowadays :(

Kuosi
07-06-2008, 05:54 PM
As long as it's not druid+hunter almost anything goes, even double rogues

Lidstah
07-06-2008, 08:14 PM
What happend to all high warlock/druid? died?

Sanny
07-07-2008, 01:57 PM
Liddz, what do you guys do against rogue/mage and disc priest/rogue?

I can never get close to the priest long enough time to kill him with crippling and stuns on me and if I going for the rogue doesnt really work too well either.

Can't seem to get out of 1800+ rating >.<

Lidstah
07-07-2008, 05:43 PM
Liddz, what do you guys do against rogue/mage and disc priest/rogue?

I can never get close to the priest long enough time to kill him with crippling and stuns on me and if I going for the rogue doesnt really work too well either.

Can't seem to get out of 1800+ rating >.<

Rogue/mage its a pain in the ass for shaman/war its your countercomp. You wont win this game w/o RNG if they are good. My warrior is a gnome so we mostly go for mages.. Make sure your shaman interrupt all shatter combo/polymorph, if hes stunned or have cd on grounding/earth shock, your warrior need to fear/pummel/intercept the next spell. Heroism early and your shamans should use highest rank earth shock.

Priest/Rogue is also a hard combo if the rogue is in PvE gear..
You want to kill the priest. Spam purge and keep wf+poison cleansing totem down. The shaman should never get feared so keep distance to the priest. If the rogue goes on ur warrior just enjoy the rage and smash in the rogues face, make sure you intercept hamstring priest every intercept cooldown so ur shaman wont get feared.

thats how we do

Sharor
07-07-2008, 05:47 PM
Sharor :O After reading so many of your rants, pleasure to finaly face you :>

Likewise man ;) just lost from 2030 to 1988 because of pve rogues. Fucking burn in hell >.<

Stoneskin
07-07-2008, 06:45 PM
Fucking burn in hell >.<
That's what all the nobrain warrior/druids with RNG on autocast can go do aswell. Everytime we hit 2k we get warrior/druid that tank us down with mace stuns every 3 seconds during the whole match.

Jefferson
07-07-2008, 09:43 PM
Stoneskin you sexy beast, slacking on 2050 :O, unlike you and peaceleaf!... oh wait

Sharor
07-08-2008, 03:44 AM
WEPS ! after having 2049 and losing to a mirror because rogue got killed through cheat death (both rogues procced it same time, theirs survived -.-') we got there..!

Kuosi
07-08-2008, 04:40 AM
why does ur rogue use t6 shoulders oO

Kubuss
07-08-2008, 07:44 AM
That's what all the nobrain warrior/druids with RNG on autocast can go do aswell. Everytime we hit 2k we get warrior/druid that tank us down with mace stuns every 3 seconds during the whole match.

or mage priest, twice ROFL

21-0 so far, competition is zzz.

Stoneskin
07-08-2008, 07:50 AM
Stoneskin you sexy beast, slacking on 2050 :O, unlike you and peaceleaf!... oh wait

RNG moar? :p
And this week turned out from a great week into the most retarded week of arenas ever. First 1850 -> 2k and then tank it all the way back against warrior/druids, with double Kubuss at the end (enjoy the points tho Kubuss, on behalf of our mistakes :p).

Kubuss
07-08-2008, 07:52 AM
RNG moar? :p
And this week turned out from a great week into the most retarded week of arenas ever. First 1850 -> 2k and then tank it all the way back against warrior/druids, with double Kubuss at the end (enjoy the points tho Kubuss, on behalf of our mistakes :p).

Cheers! ;)

edit: you played it well but restokin just cant outheal my damage i think :X altho second game he was feared ;)

Stoneskin
07-08-2008, 07:55 AM
Cheers! ;)

edit: you played it well but restokin just cant outheal my damage i think :X altho second game he was feared ;)
Actually he just went back to 13/11/37 after all those warrior/druids, first game he tried healing me while having your pet targeted (doh :p) and 2nd like you said he got feared.

summlan
07-08-2008, 08:12 AM
Would be nice with less hybernatespamming druids and more locks :(
cant you see im already struggeling as feral, do you really have to hybernate me constantly, tears.

Wish me and wille could play more tho, would love to face you guys up there.
Dont think weve played any of you guys, only shaan and laml once. we got lucky that match :)

Purity
07-08-2008, 08:45 AM
finally made it to 2051

gg kubuss, we'z be turtlin'!

Kubuss
07-08-2008, 09:05 AM
finally made it to 2051

gg kubuss, we'z be turtlin'!

you played so lame :( but play to win i guess ;) grats!

we lost some after going like 25-0, countercomps tho :( as in, rogue/rogue, druid/rogue and SPRIEST ROGUE WITH BOOTS(hibz :()

funny thing is, we beat the double rogue the game after where i soloed them when hamp died because they were out of cooldowns <3 also our last game was vs druid rogue and we won, all 3 of us oom and me on 10%, rofl.

@summlan, respect man! :)

Loleeta
07-08-2008, 09:31 AM
Damn wish my partner had more time to play some more games.

Tired of beating bad rogue/druids and struggling vs any rogue/priest.

Gief some mages for free rating!

Kubuss
07-08-2008, 09:51 AM
Damn wish my partner had more time to play some more games.

Tired of beating bad rogue/druids and struggling vs any rogue/priest.

Gief some mages for free rating!

we're 2-0 vs 2 glad(altho it doesnt mean anything in s3 >.>) druid/locks, we need more practice :)

Casta
07-08-2008, 10:22 AM
Thought cutoff was a bit higher on Misery - like 2,3k or summit. Correct me if I'm wrong. Not saying getting glad on this BG is tough lol.

I wouldn't really rate s2 glads much higher though, was a lot of wintrading and buying titles that season.

Jefferson
07-08-2008, 10:27 AM
Thought cutoff was a bit higher on Misery - like 2,3k or summit. Correct me if I'm wrong. Not saying getting glad on this BG is tough lol.

I wouldn't really rate s2 glads much higher though, was a lot of wintrading and buying titles that season.

Think it was meant to be 2315 according to AJ calc, but ended up nearer 2200 as far as i know, might be wrong.

Stoneskin
07-08-2008, 11:31 AM
Think it was meant to be 2315 according to AJ calc, but ended up nearer 2200 as far as i know, might be wrong.
Well, "meant to be" under those specific conditions (amount of teams and inactivity percentage). But yeah that's where it ended I think.

Sharor
07-09-2008, 01:12 PM
Toshiro how can you guys not have weapons? You have everything, PvE gear Human Racial and a night elf kickoff for lulz.

How can you even fail ? O.o

Purity
07-09-2008, 01:33 PM
Toshiro how can you guys not have weapons? You have everything, PvE gear Human Racial and a night elf kickoff for lulz.

How can you even fail ? O.o

/\

fuck perception, and you're terrible toshiro. Almost had you and your nelf friend in a 1v2 twice

Toshiro
07-09-2008, 02:17 PM
i'm terrible but above u :(

Sharor
07-09-2008, 02:33 PM
i'm terrible but above u :(

You're not terrible, but you seriously didnt play optimal against us. I got to cast, what the hell is that.

And you guys playing in full pve means you can be terrible and still succeed, if you wanted.

Edit: And even when 80% of the 2s bracket is Rogue/Druid, you still managed to not have weapons before us - you're not above, more like equal.

Toshiro
07-09-2008, 03:15 PM
resto druids that go bear with rogues that know how to avoid perception (ofc it also depends on luck) are rlly hard, same happens with war/druid, so it's not that omgeasy to go high as rogue/rogue. not even mentioning rng, counters, and luck factor that are fatal to us

Sharor
07-09-2008, 03:27 PM
I aint got feral charge so :> and no rng on my team either.

Kubuss
07-09-2008, 03:29 PM
99% of wow players are terrible but can still succeed due class or combo.

i mean killing two felhunters vs warlock/priest or druid and still losing, wtf is up with that.

Sharor
07-09-2008, 03:36 PM
nerf locks vs mages :>

Purity
07-10-2008, 06:53 PM
righteous bump

yay 2110 after some mage rogue farming (sorry lol)

tiz1337
07-11-2008, 12:07 AM
omg PENIX HAI! we've made more jokes about your name on skype than any other :D:D:D good with some fun when being milked by fucking druid warr / druid rogue... btw every1 playing that setup CAN GO FUCK THEMSELVES TYVM

penix
07-14-2008, 07:54 AM
Rofl Tiz AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT! :D

We just remade our team, hit 2025 then druid/war took 50 rating off us in 2 games :mad: why does this BG have to be filled with our counter comp?!

Revv
07-14-2008, 12:17 PM
hmm penix, rings a bell!

penix
07-14-2008, 01:05 PM
har har very funny -.-

Revv
07-14-2008, 01:13 PM
zomg faced u

penix
07-14-2008, 01:19 PM
LOL idd, hai ;D

Samdillandul
07-15-2008, 08:46 AM
omg PENIX HAI! we've made more jokes about your name on skype than any other :D:D:D good with some fun when being milked by fucking druid warr / druid rogue... btw every1 playing that setup CAN GO FUCK THEMSELVES TYVM

I like your setup Tiz, wasnt ready for UA lock + rogue when we faced you guys :D Looked like you and the priest im playing with had fun when both me and your rogue was dead :P

Fwibblekill
07-15-2008, 09:42 AM
Rofl Tiz AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT! :D

We just remade our team, hit 2025 then druid/war took 50 rating off us in 2 games :mad: why does this BG have to be filled with our counter comp?!
Strange, since S4 the amount of :warrior::druid: teams has been really low for us. We probably got 3 times as much :shaman::warrior: (and I don't exactly mind that :p). Unfortunately we also get loads of :rogue::mage: (no fun as mutilate..)

tiz1337
07-16-2008, 01:37 AM
I like your setup Tiz, wasnt ready for UA lock + rogue when we faced you guys :D Looked like you and the priest im playing with had fun when both me and your rogue was dead :P

hey man, was just messing about with UA; hit 2020 then dropped down, got pissed, specced slsl and finally hit 2050 ^_^ gg's btw ;D

Perklunt
07-16-2008, 03:45 PM
Wieeee 2050!! Inc mace next week.

Anwar
07-16-2008, 07:42 PM
hey tiz we had some good fights at the end of last season around the 2200 mark, fibwibble or w/e your name is, still playing with deadpuppet as balance?


also is drudde around on these forums?

Samdillandul
07-16-2008, 07:57 PM
Wieeee 2050!! Inc mace next week.

Lets buy it together ragesnake! you me the sunset and a weapon!

Lesdo
07-17-2008, 09:26 AM
sigh fucking hate shit doublerogues so carried by pvegear

Soulmate
07-17-2008, 09:34 AM
We probably got 3 times as much :shaman::warrior: (and I don't exactly mind that :p)

Agree. More :shaman::warrior: plixorz! :D Though we got unlucky and met just a few of them. Had to make our way through endless druid/rogues. :(

Nice movie, btw.

Samdillandul
07-17-2008, 09:50 AM
whats up with the 2v2 brackett, only thing we faced today was druid + rogue/hunter/warrior. If not that it was 2x rogue.... Wasnt helping that i fucking dc'ed vs mage priest aswell :S

Fwibblekill
07-17-2008, 10:19 AM
hey tiz we had some good fights at the end of last season around the 2200 mark, fibwibble or w/e your name is, still playing with deadpuppet as balance?


also is drudde around on these forums?
Yup, at 1900 now as Balance druid/Mutilate Rogue/Dpriest and loving the setup :p
It works pretty damn well with all the double melee teams these days. Mages are a pain to mutilate rogues though :(
Oh and thanks soulmate.

Purity
07-17-2008, 01:48 PM
whats up with the 2v2 brackett, only thing we faced today was druid + rogue/hunter/warrior. If not that it was 2x rogue.... Wasnt helping that i fucking dc'ed vs mage priest aswell :S

am i glad my priest is gone for a week or 2 ;)

Fwibblekill
07-17-2008, 03:17 PM
Haha purity, switched your war for another rogue eh? :p
You got lucky the first match dc'd, you were like, 10%!

Purity
07-18-2008, 06:05 AM
Haha purity, switched your war for another rogue eh? :p
You got lucky the first match dc'd, you were like, 10%!

xD I normally play discpriest /ds druid / moi (hence my druid was dreamstate cba respec)

but because my priest is gone for a while I have to play 10 matches a week, 7 with double rogue/druid or rwd (and we cant play that for shit :d) and 3 with me on dullemor T_T

so yeah if you time it right you can take a good 45 rating off us when im playing the priest

gg's anyway, we thought the druid was DS instead of an actual boomkin at first :p

Kubuss
07-19-2008, 06:25 PM
playing warlock mage rogue for funsies with a badly geared rogue(as in, no pve gear and s1/s3 mix)

gg's shaan ;D

edit: fucvk 2v2 ;(

Cylia
07-21-2008, 01:02 AM
sigh fucking hate shit doublerogues so carried by pvegear

yeah fucking pve geared people omg!!!!!!!111

But we still manage don't we

Spjuver
07-21-2008, 01:49 AM
Haha purity, switched your war for another rogue eh? :p
You got lucky the first match dc'd, you were like, 10%!
Just me switching char. Yes, we suck.

Lesdo
07-21-2008, 06:36 AM
yeah fucking pve geared people omg!!!!!!!111

But we still manage don't we
damn right we do :(

Cowking
07-21-2008, 08:44 PM
Why do i never meet any arenajunkies? :(

always getting farmed by kubuss! hes mean! very mean with hes nasty op racial!

Casta
07-22-2008, 08:37 AM
Wondering where all the AJ guys are too. Haven't ran into many this season. ;o

Also where's all the shittalk? This thread is too nice~~

Kubuss
07-22-2008, 08:45 AM
lol -20 duelist(how the fuck can you not get glad in s3 -_-) warlock druid who are terrible and let their warlock get down to 10% what the fuck

Kubuss
07-22-2008, 08:50 AM
lol we wait a minute with queue and then we get a different warlock druid ROFL

all he did was mana drain spam and thats it, srsly i wanted to smash my keyboard in his face

okay we did 5 games, 5 warlock healer %^_^_^_^_^_ <3 this game

Kubuss
07-23-2008, 10:16 AM
7 games today, 7 rogues ROFL

Anwar
07-23-2008, 03:23 PM
moooooooooooooforce, wtb more games against you ^^ sharor is back from holiday this friday so i cant finally get back to arena after stopping 2 weeks ago :)

Loleeta
07-23-2008, 03:48 PM
lol -20 duelist(how the fuck can you not get glad in s3 -_-) warlock druid who are terrible and let their warlock get down to 10% what the fuck

Heh I can feel your pain, playing priest/mage on my priest alt and losing to backpeddaler druid/locks makes me wonder about the very compo I play on my main. It's maybe the hardest countercomp that exists since I can't think of any other that even really mediocre players can pull the win from good players just cause of compo.

On a sidenote, wouldn't misery be a much better place if there was a priest/mage for every rogue/druid out there? :D

Casta
07-24-2008, 08:48 AM
moooooooooooooforce, wtb more games against you ^^ sharor is back from holiday this friday so i cant finally get back to arena after stopping 2 weeks ago :)

fuck that I wanna farm more mirrors and lock healer teams :p

Stoneskin
07-24-2008, 10:28 AM
Oh that was gay today, played upto 2199 then faced a Warrior/Druid. Druid got to 2% and 1%, and in the end they manage to win :mad: (Including the usual RNG ofc).

Revv
07-26-2008, 05:34 AM
Oh that was gay today, played upto 2199 then faced a Warrior/Druid. Druid got to 2% and 1%, and in the end they manage to win :mad: (Including the usual RNG ofc).


lol i feel your pain.

got to 2199 and faced mage rogue (as druid/warr) who we beat the last 2 games but we had to loose the last one....

got it now tho :D

Kubuss
07-26-2008, 05:51 AM
gave up on priest mage ;< helping a rogue get s3 shoulders or s4 weapon now. so far liking 2 dps again =p

Sharor
07-27-2008, 03:41 PM
This is stealth bump.

Also, did Moonkin Mage today - in love with the combo. I've a rogue to look for as well though >.<

Oh right n nerf locks.

Exiztence
07-27-2008, 08:08 PM
The ammount of rogue/druid is clearly disturbing.(especially Glaviators)

Anwar
07-27-2008, 09:46 PM
glaciale needs a pve gimp slap imo!

yeah ill be playing boomkin/mage with sharor and really its great fun, works like priest/mage but much more dps and survivability although no burning.


anyone high interested in some skirmishes?

Exiztence
07-28-2008, 05:42 AM
glaciale needs a pve gimp slap imo!



Don't tell , they will nerf me.

Purity
07-29-2008, 08:25 PM
lol been playing rogue/priest with a PVE rogue of a guy i know...

gear carries.

Sharor
07-30-2008, 04:23 AM
I reallly wonder why blizzard didnt ban respective gear from gameplay it doesnt suit, ie no pve gear in arena - no pvp gear in 25 man instances.

Exiztence
07-30-2008, 05:33 AM
I reallly wonder why blizzard didnt ban respective gear from gameplay it doesnt suit, ie no pve gear in arena - no pvp gear in 25 man instances.
The only one whining would be PvE rogues . Because they are at end most ''dependable'' on it , I would certainly gladly tossed away the 4/8 T6 I use in arena in exchane for not seeing anymore PvE rogues.

Stoneskin
07-30-2008, 10:32 AM
Glaciale! :D THANK YOU for that last match we needed! Finally got shoulders after being so close so many times!

Exiztence
07-30-2008, 10:51 AM
Glaciale! :D THANK YOU for that last match we needed! Finally got shoulders after being so close so many times!

Bah , got overplayed or rather I played shit , gratz to shoulders tho :)

Sharor
07-31-2008, 08:46 AM
Congratulations Stoneskin man, well deserved.

Me and Anwar just rinsed Myrna and Namina. God I almost felt sorry for them when they did /bow :(

Sharor
08-01-2008, 05:31 PM
Lol fuck Swarn for resisting 6 attacks that would kill him. Fuck Rogue Druid tbh. -.-

Sharor
08-01-2008, 05:49 PM
Someone beat up Sworn really hard. Fuckhead manages to resist 30% of all spells, including a moonfire that would've killed him at 5%

Jefferson
08-01-2008, 06:43 PM
Fuck sharor lol. Wtf is that for a setup >.<
Just rinsed me on my warrior, didnt know who to go for. Cycloned->Shatter combo+Starfire :<

Sharor
08-01-2008, 07:06 PM
Lul name ? :D

Jefferson
08-01-2008, 07:26 PM
Malright! sexy dorf!

Sharor
08-01-2008, 07:35 PM
:D

Stoneskin
08-02-2008, 01:24 AM
Bah , got overplayed or rather I played shit , gratz to shoulders tho :)

Thanks, you were probably the most offensive hunter/druid we've met in a long time though!

Oh and thanks Sharor! (and for kicking Jeff's ass, too :p)

Sharor
08-02-2008, 08:35 AM
Haha, I'll come have a try at kicking your ass to ! Just wait ;)

Jefferson
08-02-2008, 02:57 PM
/poke sharor :P

Revv
08-02-2008, 03:10 PM
Jefferson, halo! :D faced you today

Sharor
08-02-2008, 03:12 PM
Yeah rng is a bitch, mace stun on kill chance is meh :<

And warlock teams all over -.-

Jefferson
08-02-2008, 03:29 PM
Such a wierd setup though sharor, was completely unsure about who to go for >.<

Was just staring everything trying to stop cc, whoever my warrior was going for.

And nrf dont remember playing you :o unless you were playing with the hunter in your armory then i think i do :) too many druid warrs today to remember them all otherwise though :<

Loleeta
08-02-2008, 03:30 PM
Hey Jefferson nice games today, really close. You got some very good coordination. Also your warrior is a beast.

Finally got my shoulders today :)

Jefferson
08-02-2008, 03:41 PM
gz :>

and yeah, meh your pet would fucking die lol

Sharor
08-03-2008, 06:16 PM
Rogue Druid is a plague.

Jefferson
08-03-2008, 06:56 PM
Rogue Druid is a plague.

Was that nicer version of what your previous post said? xP

Sharor
08-03-2008, 07:11 PM
Yeah. 2060 to me and anwar, second mage on Kazzak (least alliance side) to get weps O.<

Sharor
08-04-2008, 08:03 PM
Your druid got 6k mana cos you got chain macestuns, gg

Jefferson
08-04-2008, 08:05 PM
Fucking scrub warglaive rogue druid wtf and give our points ffs, what is this madness!

Jefferson
08-04-2008, 08:06 PM
Didnt mean taht hun, but geif our points! well deserved imo!

Sharor
08-04-2008, 08:07 PM
Its when I join the dark side. I underestimated you, forgot that it was your warrior ;) was farming shit teams (low personal for me).

And the rogue isn't bad btw, we would've won if not for that drink fuckup :<


Edit: Was deserved, just stating why you won :)

Edit2: Im dreamstate now, enough resto for a day. Get ready to get raped.

Jefferson
08-04-2008, 08:08 PM
Geif points! seriously wtf, such a joke, what rating were you at? that coulda been our 2050 game :<

Jefferson
08-04-2008, 08:11 PM
Weve stopped playing, was last game :< but seriously wtf ima making a ticket, nerd rage inc, i really want those points!

Anwar
08-04-2008, 08:12 PM
lolololol me and sharor got tired of being beaten by warlock/druid and spent 2 hours in 1 game running around apillar in nagrand :) eventually after 2 hours around a pillar letting them get 0 damage we downed both pets, i poped all and we had the warlock at 10% with cc on druid. DISCONNECT ^^. we had people on their server talking to them, they were so pissed ^^

takes 2 hours to win but you cant beat us, now who's lame huh??

Sharor
08-04-2008, 08:17 PM
Uh. 1950 or smth, its a friends team :o

Jefferson
08-04-2008, 08:19 PM
Atleast it wouldnt of gotten is 2050, makes me feel a bit better!

Rogue Druid is a plague.

And i guess, cant beat them join them aye?! xP

Sharor
08-04-2008, 08:30 PM
Pretty much. If you wanna beat rogue druid, you join with a rogue better geared (and human) than the former.

Revv
08-05-2008, 06:01 AM
or you play warr druid xD

Sharor
08-05-2008, 03:37 PM
I hate war druid >.<

HEY HUNTER DRUID, MAGE HEALER AND WARLOCK HEALER WEE.

Exiztence
08-05-2008, 04:03 PM
I hate war druid >.<

HEY HUNTER DRUID, MAGE HEALER AND WARLOCK HEALER WEE.

You get what you deserve ! :(

Kubuss
08-05-2008, 06:05 PM
fuck i had 4440 points, getting points from a 2040 3v3, which means i'd be at like 5400 if i didn't buy anything.

realised this too late and now the servers are down and i can't buy gloves + also have enough pts for weapon next week im retarded.

edit: actually gloves is 1125 so 5k-1125 is 3875 which is enough for weapon anyway

i still miss out on like 450 points or so ;( emo

Anwar
08-06-2008, 05:03 AM
pwnt by math?

Kuosi
08-06-2008, 09:10 AM
just disbanded my wars team, sp+rogue/mage+rogue/super def druid+war/double ud rogue
nice tems to face as shaman war, shit bracket gg no re

Sharor
08-06-2008, 12:24 PM
You get what you deserve ! :(

Slap :P

Edit: Leo my shaman made 1600 with 400 healing and 30 res xD

Exiztence
08-06-2008, 02:27 PM
Slap :P

Edit: Leo my shaman made 1600 with 400 healing and 30 res xD

Die for playing with Glaviator :(

Sharor
08-06-2008, 02:40 PM
He's a good rogue, I'll sign on it. :(

Pinchy
08-07-2008, 09:05 AM
Die for playing with Glaviator :(

So bitter.

Less hate please!

Loleeta
08-07-2008, 09:50 AM
Pinchy unguilded?

Well PvE was boring anyways

Pinchy
08-07-2008, 11:46 AM
Hush you!

Your druid still busy IRL Loleeta? :(

Lidstah
08-07-2008, 11:53 AM
just disbanded my wars team, sp+rogue/mage+rogue/super def druid+war/double ud rogue
nice tems to face as shaman war, shit bracket gg no re

there is like 0 mage rogues and like 1 good sp/rogue.. there is alot of good druid war tho :(

Exiztence
08-07-2008, 11:53 AM
So bitter.

Less hate please!

No u.

Kuosi
08-08-2008, 05:45 AM
there is like 0 mage rogues and like 1 good sp/rogue.. there is alot of good druid war tho :(
made a new team and didnt bother getting it high as trading wins with those terribad mage rogue teams got old fast

Lidstah
08-08-2008, 12:20 PM
made a new team and didnt bother getting it high as trading wins with those terribad mage rogue teams got old fast

Ye there is too many rogue/mage on 1800-1900 rating.. 50% of the games is double dps rogue. fun to play warlock/druid on my alt tho :)

Perklunt
08-10-2008, 03:13 PM
Just want to say thanks for the awesome games vs team xDxDxDxDxD consisting of Hibye and Rullah. After alot of games we finally reached 2,2k and the last game where ashpk died and i rnged you both down was just pure win :D.

aspern
08-10-2008, 03:40 PM
2200 warrior\priest reppin!

Perk = best mate with rng gods

Sharor
08-10-2008, 04:29 PM
Congratulations :) Ash, good job you guys.

Ducktape
08-11-2008, 06:05 AM
hello arena pals on Misery =)

and pve geared rogues die from aids at age 30 njoy!

Exiztence
08-11-2008, 06:09 AM
hello arena pals on Misery =)

and pve geared rogues die from aids at age 30 njoy!

Hello ! I approve of you , visit Eu-hunter channel on IRC more often so we can make fun of Fylla !

Ducktape
08-11-2008, 06:18 AM
i will do!

fylla eraged in season 3 :(

Exiztence
08-11-2008, 06:38 AM
i will do!

fylla eraged in season 3 :(

Emoorc ftw

Cylia
08-11-2008, 07:24 AM
Me and lesdo kinda inactive atm :/

Ducktape
08-11-2008, 07:41 AM
bored @ work, but hey only 30 min left!

Kubuss
08-11-2008, 04:51 PM
lawl 2037, meet axestorm warrior druid, we gib the druid and he 1v2s us because we're overconfident after going like 6-0, we were both at around 40% :D

Sharor
08-12-2008, 08:46 AM
my 2s is inactive at 2172, god a pain xD

Pinch's pc broke down. Ah well, irl is win anyhow

Ducktape
08-12-2008, 10:23 AM
pinchy is lieing, he is playing alt on another server!

Sharor
08-12-2008, 11:13 AM
Nah he's right, his computer is fine (laptop) just not good enough for arena :)

Perklunt
08-12-2008, 12:26 PM
lawl 2037, meet axestorm warrior druid, we gib the druid and he 1v2s us because we're overconfident after going like 6-0, we were both at around 40% :D

RNG happens :).

Ducktape
08-16-2008, 02:10 PM
i saw pinchy online the other day!

Sharor
08-16-2008, 05:42 PM
me 2 but its on a laptop that fails for arena :D

Sharor
08-17-2008, 03:00 PM
This thread needs bumping imho.

Ducktape
08-17-2008, 03:30 PM
so much slack

Dornath
08-18-2008, 03:42 AM
Wooo got 2.2k last night after a resto druid vs boomkin fight, although Consest and his druid gave us the win there =]
this is with Drudde as doomkin
*hidden bump* :)

Sharor
08-18-2008, 03:59 AM
Cheers, love you guys playing "our" setup <3

Oh and gz on shoulders as moonkin rogue :]

Dornath
08-18-2008, 05:43 AM
Cheers, love you guys playing "our" setup <3

Oh and gz on shoulders as moonkin rogue :]

How come you arent playing boomkin? :( (or maybe you are? last time i checked you were restokin, but havent checked for a while:))

eliminator
08-18-2008, 06:06 AM
mage priest reporting with shoulders 8)
next time, less rogue druids please :/

Dornath
08-18-2008, 06:23 AM
mage priest reporting with shoulders 8)
next time, less rogue druids please :/
gz :) always fun with non fotm shoulders =]

Sharor
08-18-2008, 07:52 AM
How come you arent playing boomkin? :( (or maybe you are? last time i checked you were restokin, but havent checked for a while:))

There's multiple reasons, the main one is restokin is simply stronger - I quit moonkin after Forwind left me, because the next rogue I got couldn't play 2 dps.

Sadly. I picked it up with Anwar, 2060 as Moonkin (48 0 13) mage:)

Dornath
08-18-2008, 08:20 AM
There's multiple reasons, the main one is restokin is simply stronger - I quit moonkin after Forwind left me, because the next rogue I got couldn't play 2 dps.

Sadly. I picked it up with Anwar, 2060 as Moonkin (48 0 13) mage:)

ah, hows moonkin mage? warlock druid must be a bitch =]

Sharor
08-18-2008, 08:20 AM
You dont even want to know :P

It's focused around CYclone nukage, but I left the team after we got wep. PLaying (Fotm) rogue druid. As restokin.

Exiztence
08-18-2008, 08:52 AM
I am bored , entertain me Ducktape :(

Fuzzball
08-18-2008, 09:08 AM
Gz Dorntah Duude, any idea how many full moonkins world wide have shoudlers?

Sharor
08-18-2008, 09:44 AM
Fair few. You need to play quite exellent. Oh and welcome to the thread Fuzz boy - go get shoulders as (first?) feral druid world :P


Doesn't really matter though, unless you can compete in top 10 (which Dornath and Drudde should be fully capable of) it's really not that much fun :P

Exiztence
08-18-2008, 11:27 AM
Should have a druid at tuesday so back at track yo !( Actually tempted to try Wyvern Sting + Scatter CC build with Dreamstate ;) )

Dornath
08-18-2008, 02:10 PM
we'll see how far it will take us, now we'll mostly do Rogue moonkin priest 3on3 i guess, though that setup is abit weaker than Rogue boomkin in 2vs2, but it works for sure =]

there isnt that many hunter druids that i've seen, and surely not with wyvern sting =P

Sharor
08-18-2008, 03:46 PM
Glac is good - Dornath btw, tell Drudde he needs a rematch.

We duelled each other back in s2, outside of org, I think I beat him like 5-1 xD

He's my favorite cow though, least Kazzak :)

Exiztence
08-18-2008, 04:14 PM
we'll see how far it will take us, now we'll mostly do Rogue moonkin priest 3on3 i guess, though that setup is abit weaker than Rogue boomkin in 2vs2, but it works for sure =]

there isnt that many hunter druids that i've seen, and surely not with wyvern sting =P

Yea well 2min CD and gets broken by WoTF , Stoneform , Poison Cleanse . Shoulders first then messing around ( Scatter + Wyvern can pull off damn long CC with druid tho ! )

Sharor
08-18-2008, 04:54 PM
Cyclone x3 (10.5, they cast instants).
Wyvern sting (10? seconds)
Scorpid sting-> shatter -> trap (16 seconds)
Cyclone x3 (10.5 seconds)

Total: 48 seconds.

Dornath
08-19-2008, 08:30 AM
Glac is good - Dornath btw, tell Drudde he needs a rematch.

We duelled each other back in s2, outside of org, I think I beat him like 5-1 xD

He's my favorite cow though, least Kazzak :)

You really should have a rematch, i'd love watching it ;)

Dornath
08-19-2008, 08:32 AM
Cyclone x3 (10.5, they cast instants).
Wyvern sting (10? seconds)
Scorpid sting-> shatter -> trap (16 seconds)
Cyclone x3 (10.5 seconds)

Total: 48 seconds.
How is scatter trap 16 seconds? :o 4 sec scatter 10 sec Freezing trap? or did i miss anything :P

Sharor
08-19-2008, 08:36 AM
Clever traps allows traps to exceed 10 seconds :)

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=cZZIG0M

Dornath
08-19-2008, 08:42 AM
Clever traps allows traps to exceed 10 seconds :)

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=cZZIG0M
really?? thought 10 seconds was max duration for CCs in Pvp:)

Stoneskin
08-19-2008, 08:47 AM
Yea well 2min CD and gets broken by WoTF , Stoneform , Poison Cleanse . Shoulders first then messing around ( Scatter + Wyvern can pull off damn long CC with druid tho ! )
7/41/13 with restokin works just fine. Bloody loyalty levels tho :mad:. Taking ages to get my owl at max.

Stoneskin
08-19-2008, 08:52 AM
really?? thought 10 seconds was max duration for CCs in Pvp:)
Freezing traps go 13 with clever traps. :p

Dornath
08-19-2008, 11:45 AM
Freezing traps go 13 with clever traps. :p

Cool (nerf) then im proved wrong i guess :D you learn something new every day ^^

Sharor
08-19-2008, 11:46 AM
Yay, Pinchy came back at last :) 2220.

Mutilated some bad Vengeful Gladiator Druid - Hunter twice, and then lost (when I was 13 pr off and they'd give us 13) because Pinchy misunderstood the situation :(

Dryn
08-19-2008, 11:48 AM
yea that vengeful gladiator druid hunter is terrible, even my war pala farmed them

Sharor
08-19-2008, 11:50 AM
Yeah, but I was drinking and pinch took and aimed shot and got crit streaked for 5k hp in like, 2 steady shots. So shit happens. :>

I called on vent like, go druid and then after that immediately said I was drinking and he went druid, not hearing th edrinking part and stood one second to long in hunter los and died cos of server lag to an arcane shot :P

Fuzzball
08-19-2008, 02:07 PM
2116 tonight, Going for 2.2k next week.

So far i only know of Exerion (al akir eu) and Deep (us realms) with feral shoulders. So hopefully a world top 5 at least ;>

Exiztence
08-19-2008, 03:27 PM
fuck the crashes tonite Zzzzzz

Wily
08-19-2008, 04:58 PM
Met some S3 Glad ranked Hunter+Druid at 1800s today, first game 22 minutes for 23 points and when we rematched they both left and gave 22.. And I have a Warlock partner for crying out loud. Wonder if they both ebayed on high rankings or wtf :P

Exiztence
08-19-2008, 05:11 PM
Met some S3 Glad ranked Hunter+Druid at 1800s today, first game 22 minutes for 23 points and when we rematched they both left and gave 22.. And I have a Warlock partner for crying out loud. Wonder if they both ebayed on high rankings or wtf :P

Coz Warlock/Druid is easy setup for Hunter/Druid , ohh yea....

Sharor
08-19-2008, 05:14 PM
Actually Wily mate, Hunter Druid < Warlock Druid :) But yeah, well done ;)

Me and Fuzzball crashed misery - Sorry. We kinda beat a couple of Duelistlol teams as feral dreamstate druid druid

Exiztence
08-19-2008, 05:21 PM
Lost to some scrub druid/warlock ( New druid is old friend and he haven't played druid for ages apparently ;) ) -25 makes you feel fuzzy inside after hearing Cyclone Resisted for 50th time in same minute.

Sharor
08-19-2008, 05:27 PM
Base resist in arena out to be strangled.

GG resisting 3 cyclones + dodging bash + macestun in caster with deathwish and full rage for a -28.

Happened the other day.

Lidstah
08-19-2008, 05:35 PM
sup

Exiztence
08-19-2008, 05:48 PM
Base resist in arena out to be strangled.

GG resisting 3 cyclones + dodging bash + macestun in caster with deathwish and full rage for a -28.

Happened the other day.

8 matches , 5x Warlock/druid , 1x Warlock/Rogue , 1x Warlock/priest , 1x Rogue/Druid

Tuesday is good day to play hunter :cool:

Pinchy
08-19-2008, 08:47 PM
Yay, Pinchy came back at last :) 2220.

Mutilated some bad Vengeful Gladiator Druid - Hunter twice, and then lost (when I was 13 pr off and they'd give us 13) because Pinchy misunderstood the situation :(

Haha such lies Sharor!

You need to babysit my arse, 280 res ftl!

Mana? What? No, heal more, you don't need mana God damn!

(But yeah, lol @ that Vengeful Glad Druid and his Hunter friend getting ripped apart :p)

Sharor
08-20-2008, 06:31 AM
No way, I needed mana and shit :< I had like 2k and no innervate

Stoneskin
08-20-2008, 08:38 AM
8 matches , 5x Warlock/druid , 1x Warlock/Rogue , 1x Warlock/priest , 1x Rogue/Druid

Tuesday is good day to play hunter :cool:
Still not as bad as the tuesday I had 12 out of 13 teams with a warlock :p. Even though that was waaaaay back (and my druid as deep resto), but as restokin/hunter now warlock teams are pretty much a joke.

Oh and re-made our team today for the AJOlympics and been trying out my owl, and I don't get why so few people use one because it has great chasing capabilities (besides the fact that scorpid poison is useless :p).

Fuzzball
08-20-2008, 09:40 AM
we never meet warlocks ;(

Exiztence
08-20-2008, 01:25 PM
we never meet warlocks ;(
You can have mine.

Exiztence
08-20-2008, 01:28 PM
Oh and re-made our team today for the AJOlympics and been trying out my owl, and I don't get why so few people use one because it has great chasing capabilities (besides the fact that scorpid poison is useless :p).

Give me stable slots , allah damn it !

Stoneskin
08-20-2008, 02:07 PM
Give me stable slots , allah damn it !
Yeah stable slots are a bitch, wtb increase to atleast 10 slots :p.

Exiztence
08-20-2008, 03:10 PM
Yeah stable slots are a bitch, wtb increase to atleast 10 slots :p.

Make it 20 and we can talk;)

Stoneskin
08-20-2008, 03:15 PM
Make it 20 and we can talk;)
Wouldn't be too weird seeing the amount of utility different pets offer in WotLK.

Exiztence
08-20-2008, 03:31 PM
Wouldn't be too weird seeing the amount of utility different pets offer in WotLK.

Gotta love the variability and uniques , way to go in that field.( Personaly looking to dig the ZG bat from depths of time )

Dryn
08-20-2008, 04:16 PM
facing warlock druid for 0 pts as war pala is cool

Sharor
08-20-2008, 05:12 PM
Hah. Sucks :< set up some games against the rank 1?

Dryn
08-20-2008, 07:58 PM
nah its cool, ended up meeting hekaton/mooforce and farmed them some

2335 now

Sharor
08-21-2008, 08:55 AM
Good job dude, I'll come hunt you whenever we get time to play. I presume you people win most your druid rogue ?

Wily
08-21-2008, 08:59 AM
Actually Wily mate, Hunter Druid < Warlock Druid :) But yeah, well done ;)

I know, I've played the comp. But they had half-decent CC and shit for pressure - and 1800s afking out? Smells like poop to me.

Dryn
08-21-2008, 09:28 AM
yea sharor, we only lose warlock druid and were supposed to lose hunter druid but they are bad on this bg

Immu
08-21-2008, 11:39 AM
GRATS ALL YOU PRIEST ROGUES OUT THERE FUCK THIS SHIT WE WERE ALREADY 10 RATING AWAY FROM SHOULDERS THEN PAM -25, -24, -22, -21, -22

Sharor
08-21-2008, 11:42 AM
Yeah I know :> I'll have to try n play you girls. I dont really lose to anything - cept for bad play. (Rogue Druid is OP :<)

Sharor
08-21-2008, 11:44 AM
Raped. Also, Priest rogue is cool :< It's a tough combo to play against anything with a melee. :o

Immu
08-21-2008, 11:52 AM
Jezuz fucking christ I'm so sick of this game, those (DISC) priests gets their fear on my felhunter more often than my spell lock lands on priests. Guess i'll choose the loser way and find a druid or simply reroll again a new (third druid) for me. I shouldn't have never sold my previous ones :(

Sharor
08-21-2008, 12:04 PM
Stick with the rogue, it's more enjoyable than fighting rogue druid for 1h38m everytime :<

Exiztence
08-21-2008, 01:25 PM
Stick with the rogue, it's more enjoyable than fighting rogue druid for 1h38m everytime :<
What was the quote , :druid::rogue: is countered by :druid::rogue: with PvE gear ?:o

Sharor
08-21-2008, 01:38 PM
Something like that. Rogue Druid Counters --

All<Rogue Druid<Rogue with 4/4 Druid<Rogue with 4/4 Glaives Druid<Human Rogue will all of the mentioned + Druid.

Exiztence
08-21-2008, 01:50 PM
Something like that. Rogue Druid Counters --

All<Rogue Druid<Rogue with 4/4 Druid<Rogue with 4/4 Glaives Druid<Human Rogue will all of the mentioned + Druid.

pro dpriest and pro PvP rogue can rape pretty much all too ( taking PvE gear aside )

Loleeta
08-21-2008, 04:52 PM
yea sharor, we only lose warlock druid and were supposed to lose hunter druid but they are bad on this bg

Have you played vs Aryaal and his (DS) druid? He is the most amazing hunter of this BG I've seen in quite some seasons.

Dryn
08-21-2008, 05:40 PM
yea we farmed them, they are really bad ( guessing your comment about aryaal was sarcasm?)

also thx to kubuss for getting raped in 3s and giving us rank 1 as war pala mage l0l

Sharor
08-22-2008, 06:14 AM
lal gj

Kubuss
08-22-2008, 06:45 AM
yea we farmed them, they are really bad ( guessing your comment about aryaal was sarcasm?)

also thx to kubuss for getting raped in 3s and giving us rank 1 as war pala mage l0l

np! racoon likes to tank like 10 frostbolts in a row when I get counterspelled and doesn't even try to los or play defensive :[

your pala carries so much tho, he's so good :[ ggs:)

edit: by no means youre bad players, but he's just insane and worth mentioning.

Dryn
08-22-2008, 08:44 AM
ye hes amazing :D

Kubuss
08-22-2008, 08:52 AM
i remember facing him in s3 as mage priest and he´s like the only paladin that knew how to turn the fight into their favour(altho he'd still lose :[), even when it´s onesided as hell.

ps, 2063^_^, +23 heh

Dryn
08-22-2008, 08:56 AM
hes the only pala id prefer for 3s over a druid lol

fen
08-22-2008, 10:03 AM
hes the only pala id prefer for 3s over a druid lol

Props to your team, was just insane damage, my sensual 1600 heal can't compete :)

Gz on rank 1!

Exiztence
08-22-2008, 03:40 PM
Have you played vs Aryaal and his (DS) druid? He is the most amazing hunter of this BG I've seen in quite some seasons.

I seriously have no idea what to think of that people , one day they play utter rubbish and other they play like pros dunno what's up with that.

Sharor
08-23-2008, 05:43 AM
to much talk about Dryn's paladin without me knowing him. QQ. :<

Misah
08-23-2008, 02:45 PM
2 weeks of waiting for shoulders.. zZzZz

Anwar
08-23-2008, 08:15 PM
i beatz you naked misah! i r can boost epeeeeen!, damn my teams are slow to get started