PTR -- I can't beat rogues!

[Taffie]

I went on the PTR today to test swiftshifting, and instead got the wonderful ability to test the effects of a rogue's new buffed hemo.

Bad rogues got destroyed after getting kited.

Good Rogues? Ouch. Without PvP trinkets I got:

- Cheapshot
- Barkskin
- Gouge
- Kidney shot
- Remove Poison
- Doh, it's physical now. Blind.
- Stealth
- Cheapshot
- Gouge
- Kidney shot
- Imp Kick
- Dead

What in the world should I have done? I suppose I could have squeezed in a FF, but the rogue could of just CLOS'd out of it while I was blinded. Bash, if not resisted, would give some leeway -- assuming the rogue doesn't pop evasion while you're in bear. (They're already using ghostly strike... 15% dodge + 50% dodge + base dodge) I was about to NS cyclone but I couldn't even press the button before I was dead. Even if I had, imp sprint would of stopped me from doing much. And then, of course, assuming all the above don't work.. There is still vanish and then prep to start all over.

It may just be me, but mace spec + hemo + prep + imp kick + imp sprint seems a little much. How do you think it'll effect rogue in arenas? God, SPriest rogue will be such a terrible team to face now.

[edit] It was a poison bug, causing Rogues to have like 50x more DPS. :P

[Sharor]

tbh it's rather simple, good rogues you do not beat. You need at least a teamie for that, and if he happens to team double dps you're a goner.
Sorry.
In my experience no druid escapes a rogue alone, restoration or whatnot, without help. Certainly not if he's cd specced ;<

[Gabel]

Rouge r srs makeup.

[Sharor]

Rouge r srs makeup.

I lol'd :P

[impel]

Good Rogues? Ouch. Without PvP trinkets I got:Why? I cant tell you what to do different becours i simply cant take rogues. But I will start off diffrently. I think the trinket is a must, and my second trinket will most likley be http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34580. That could help some.

[Taffie]

tbh it's rather simple, good rogues you do not beat. You need at least a teamie for that, and if he happens to team double dps you're a goner.
Sorry.
In my experience no druid escapes a rogue alone, restoration or whatnot, without help. Certainly not if he's cd specced ;<

My partner is a warrior.

evasion
imp sprint
prep
evasion
imp sprint

Why? I cant tell you what to do different becours i simply cant take rogues. But I will start off diffrently. I think the trinket is a must, and my second trinket will most likley be http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34580. That could help some. I usually use trinket on 5 point KS, but it was down at the time. Still, even then, he had so many cooldowns to go through. So what if i had trinketed? A good rogue would spam shiv, or used deadly throw and sprinted.

[Tribby]

Use bear form more

[Taffie]

Use bear form more

The thing that I posted above was me on the PTR and included both the spells that I used and the spells the Rouge used. I had time to cast one spell, and I chose for that one spell to be abolish poison. However, I did get pretty unlucky with mace suns..

I have 300 resilience atm on PTR. With 3/3 Natural Perfection.

Oh, and I forgot that the Rogue added in a sap or two after the blind so that the DRs on CS/KS were up.

Just curious what you guys would do. Has anyone tested this on PTR?

[Hershram]

I have a hard time with make-up sometimes too.

[Ridzik]

respec.

bear -> natures grasp -> feral charge away the moment ng procs -> cure poison/hots/barkskin -> bear again -> tankmode on (start frenzy reg for even more tankmode)

and don't even think you'll survive competent rogues on a regular basis with less than resilience cap.

[Alphatier]

Maybe you should try using your trinket next time :-)

[Insight]

Start in bear, use bash and ng to shake their trinket and cloak/sprint, fake shaping out to make them ks you in bear (assuming it's duel situation) stomp cyclone and remove wounds, hot up, put dots up, etc and when he catches up with cds go bear again. I dueled few good rogues and won over 90% of games, mutilate gives me more trouble then double sprint rogues because of controled burst vs steady dmg. I usually save trinket for blind+bandage and try to avoid getting ksed in caster form/barkskin if I do, trinket if I do and I'm low, but 3.4k heal (around 5k with qr) is usually too much and I go oom before it's over so save trinket for it, good rogue wont blind ambolished druid. Dunno how it is on PTR, but even with buffed hemo things shouldnt be that different, since we get 500 free spelldmg which makes the fight shorter if you keep mf/insects up whenever possible.

[Auracle]

Honestly, live is just a joke compared to ptr atm

Rogues do a LOT more damage, and all seem to be prep. SS is deadly as well.

I have tried over and over, and beating a good rogue on the PTR is not easy at all, I have a few wins, but most of the time I am just rolled

[Reloaded]

Without a trinket? Who the fuck dosnt have a trinket...
- Cheapshot> OK
- Barkskin> when out of cheapshot pop a Nature Grasp
- Gouge>Ok (Hes rooted beside you)
- Kidney shot>Trinket Bear Form RUN (He cloaks out of that) (Bash him) (He trinkets out of that)
- Remove Poison > No
- Doh, it's physical now. Blind. > Ok
- Stealth > Ok
- Cheapshot > Ok
- Gouge > Warstomp Cyclone , Run away
- Kidney shot > Your too far away
- Imp Kick > Your too far away
- Dead > Your running around a pillar spamming abolish poison and healing your partner.

Its all theorycraft, but afterall no rogue can get CC perfectly.

[Taffie]

Without a trinket? Who the fuck dosnt have a trinket...
- Cheapshot> OK
- Barkskin> when out of cheapshot pop a Nature Grasp
- Gouge>Ok (Hes rooted beside you)
- Kidney shot>Trinket Bear Form RUN (He cloaks out of that) (Bash him) (He trinkets out of that)
- Remove Poison > No
- Doh, it's physical now. Blind. > Ok
- Stealth > Ok
- Cheapshot > Ok
- Gouge > Warstomp Cyclone , Run away
- Kidney shot > Your too far away
- Imp Kick > Your too far away
- Dead > Your running around a pillar spamming abolish poison and healing your partner.

Its all theorycraft, but afterall no rogue can get CC perfectly.

I do have a trinket. We just agreed to try the duel without it.

I couldn't Warstomp. I was gouged. Do you see where I'm going with this? From start to finnish, I casted 3 spells, 1 of them being in combat: NS (before he attacked. it wore off after his KS), Rejuv (I'm a cheater before duels), and Remove Poison. He used perfect CC, considering I couldn't move.


Agreed, Rizdek. Bear form will help A LOT in arenas. It was just suprising to me that with 300 resilience and trinket on cooldown the rogue could get me from start to finnish. A warrior's intercept will also give me a lot of leeway, but rogue with 2x sprint 2x evasion will be pretty difficult.

For those of you that haven't played the PTR yet, Rogues do a lot more damage now as hemo spec. I wouldn't be suprised if every rogue specced hemo 2.3 for arenas.

& thanks, Insight.