Lets talk about 43/18 vs 28/33

[Eve]

I've been testing out this build on PTR extensively and despite my love for Blessed Resilience, I probably am going to spec disc.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love 28/33 but I'm liking several things:

-PS casted on someone else. This is the perfect "oh shit" button. Especially since their choices are let it go and let them get healed to full, or spend a LOT of mana to try and dispel it. PS castable through silence. Also an "oh shit" measure. It was definitely extremely nice to have in either situation.

-The increased stats. Even though I feel some of them are a waste of points (cough mana spec cough), they are kind of nice to have.

-Increased healing from FW was nice.

Bad things:

-No SoR. I died just as often, but got nothing afterwards.
-PRoM is really expensive :(
-No spiritual healing. It's odd, but not horrible to have less +healing considering it's not really a stat I focus on anyway.
-No BR. It is definitely noticeable, and while FW makes up for it partially, there is a definitely a small difference.
-FW stacks are bleh :\. I wish it was just a one off proc like BR.

Overall:

I really think I'm going to stick with the disc build. When/how I died didn't really change that much. I did not go oom as much, and I also had a leg up on priests who were BR in terms of mana burning. I felt more at ease in clutch situations being able to put PS on the person I was spam healing.

So now, your turn. Your thoughts/experiences with FW/PS vs BR.

[Sekah]

I'm definitely going to spec 43/18 for the start of season 3 and plan to give it a thorough test.

I still feel that Disc will shine most in 5v5 situations and Holy will be preferred in smaller situations where the priest is the primary healer.

I'm hesitant to give up a considerable chunk of healing power for the bells and whistles of the discipline tree, but I've seen a number of more successful priests than I operate with considerably less +healing than I use. I'm not too worried about losing SoR since I rarely feel that it ever drastically changes the result of a fight.

I'm not one to play around on the PTR, but I am looking forward to seeing how everything works out in 2.3.

[Eve]

and Holy will be preferred in smaller situations where the priest is the primary healer.

Quite possibly so. I found that in 5v5 and 3v3 (I only tested out a 2 healer setup where my job was solely to survive, mana burn, and provide support) I did as well or better with disc (I wore 3 piece S2 Mooncloth / 2 piece S2 Satin). As far as 2v2, it just depended on the partner. I did well with a frost mage (I saw it suggested somewhere), rogue, SL/SL lock, and hunter but felt as if I was struggling more with a warrior, feral druid (lol?), and UA lock.

All in all, I'm confident about the build when the season starts and while I *AM* hesitant, I think it might be worth a shot.

[Eviscerator]

I'm assuming you are this spec http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bxgMuhgtMzVofVx0c

do you guys think its worth taking 1 pt out of silence resolve into blessed recovery?

[Ebonics]

i always thought disc was the better pvp tree but it just lacked the equivalent of BR. now that its got focused will its def gonna be the better spec imo.

i dont think the loss of healing stats and SoR is gonna make much of a difference. it never really did imo, it may have been clutch for one or two games, but sometimes i should have never died in the first place. the loss of + healing talents isnt gonna mater much imo ever since they came out with healing pvp pieces unlike in s1 where you had to wear dps neck/ bracers/ boots/ etc. for pvp stats. i think 1500 healing + is quite reasonable with just gear, not sure tho cuz i havent been heal spec this season, i am converting next season tho and will probably go with a build similair to this : give or take a few points else where http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bxxMuhgtMzNofVxoM
**NOTE: THE 3 POINTS IN REF. SHIELD ARE JUST PLACE HOLDERS FOR FW.**

im really leaning heavy on putting 5 points into SR cause i think 20% to resist dispell is gonna add more survivability to the priest imo. from my experience i find that a dispelled/purged priest is a dead priest. as 28/33 i dont think 5/5 in SR was affordable but when able to go full disc i think its quite reasonable.

[Wonder]

I think what it really comes down to that Disc lacks is Spiritual Healing.

Getting half of what Power Infusion gives as a passive is pretty nice.

Everything else evens out, IMO.

Pain Suppression helps you live longer, Spirit of Redemption lets you heal when you do eventually die.

Blessed Resilience makes you uncrittable if you're lucky, or is a waste if you're unlucky. Focused Will is a lot of damage mitigation, but you have to be taking significant fire to see a decent return from it, and by that point you're probably at 60%-70% and getting Purge-spammed anyway.

I think I miss practically-free POMs the most, though.

[Reishi]

what about a smite build?

Also I'm confused about why you gents take imp'd healing at all? Cast a lot of gheals do ya?

[Ebonics]

what about a smite build?

its jsut stupid imo. the talents u put in for smite dmg isnt worth it. and you can smite just as good now with the new dmg on healing come 2.3 and spend those talents in more useful spots.

[Wonder]

Also I'm confused about why you gents take imp'd healing at all? Cast a lot of gheals do ya?
If you don't get a significant number of opportunities to GHeal in PvP, your team isn't doing enough to keep people off you.

its jsut stupid imo. the talents u put in for smite dmg isnt worth it. and you can smite just as good now with the new dmg on healing come 2.3 and spend those talents in more useful spots.
2 points for +10% damage is quite potent.

Just look, Shadow pays 5 points for +10% damage, Rogues only get +2% damage for 2 points, Hunters only get +3% for 3.

It's pretty good.

[Ebonics]

2 points for +10% damage is quite potent.

Just look, Shadow pays 5 points for +10% damage, Rogues only get +2% damage for 2 points, Hunters only get +3% for 3.

It's pretty good.

good point. but i was mainly talking about a pure smite spec, which imo just isnt very good. not enough talents to support it. and im really against hybrid specs, it just makes you gimped in both aspects imo, and i cant stand that. i rather be really powerful in one instead of gimped in both.

[Earrl]

I spent most of season 3 as Discipline, and when I eventually decide to log on Live and finish out my Arena Season, I will complete it as Discipline. And next season, I will definitely be Discipline. I don't think Discipline will be as taboo next season, as it is now. It is kinda seen as an "outcast" thing, though, I think that 28/33 will remain the popular spec.

[Vadim]

i don't understand why everyone is gaga over enlightenment.....i definitely don't think its worth any talent points at all!

what do you guys think of this 41/20 build: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bxgMuhgtMzhofVtoc

[Earrl]

i don't understand why everyone is gaga over enlightenment.....i definitely don't think its worth any talent points at all!



Extra stats never hurt. Honestly, I don't see why people go all nuts over Reflective Shield. If you want to talk about a lacking talent :-P. It is only good for dueling.

[Ebonics]

Extra stats never hurt. Honestly, I don't see why people go all nuts over Reflective Shield. If you want to talk about a lacking talent :-P. It is only good for dueling.

im pretty the 3 into ref. shield is just place holders for FW. if thats what u were refering too. but as to the other post, i dont think enlightment is a big deal, its just a matter of preference for those last few points imo.

[Pinilla]

In my opinion, the mana reduction talents aren't as useful for conservation as they are for being oom and trying to get some spells off. In a fight that you don't die (I rarely die anymore), you will eventually be oom. Whether it's an annoying ass warlock or another priest mana burning. I can't count how many times I've been an an arena, unable to drink from curse of exhaustion or a pet, where I'm running totally free from threat and just getting worn down by random spell casts or dots. That being said, I don't think I'll be getting absolution. I think mental agility will suffice for that. Really, the only time I die is from being purge spammed. I'm definitely getting silent resolve and will probably be using this build.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bxgRzhgxMzAofmxoc

Spirit has never really done it for me.

I'm going to miss the crit I have now :(

[Vadim]

yea the three in RS are fillers for force of will

i guess 3v3 and 5v5 experience will dictate it's power

[Eve]

im really leaning heavy on putting 5 points into SR cause i think 20% to resist dispell is gonna add more survivability to the priest imo. from my experience i find that a dispelled/purged priest is a dead priest. as 28/33 i dont think 5/5 in SR was affordable but when able to go full disc i think its quite reasonable.

I have 5 points in SR now, I hardly think it's unaffordable. And it IS really REALLY nice.

Also I'm confused about why you gents take imp'd healing at all? Cast a lot of gheals do ya?

Yes actually. A fair amount of my heals are gheals.

i don't understand why everyone is gaga over enlightenment

Because it's extra stats, unlike reflective shield which is 3 points for purge fodder that's already provided for 0 points. I feel the same way about imp fort honestly. Even with SR.

I'm definitely getting silent resolve and will probably be using this build.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bxgRzhgxMzAofmxoc

Why the hate for Absolution yet the love for Reflective Shield? I don't personally understand how cheaper spells are not as good as spending 3 points for something you can have purged at the cost of 0 points. I tried out Reflective Shield and honestly thought it was the biggest joke I'd ever seen. Am I missing something?

[Vadim]

I tried out Reflective Shield and honestly thought it was the biggest joke I'd ever seen. Am I missing something?

im pretty the 3 into ref. shield is just place holders for FW.

[anubis]

The two I'm leaning on are: (3 in reflective shield in place for FW)

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bxxMdhgtMzAofVxoM

and

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bxxMdhgtMzAofVxh

[Reishi]

Sorry, I still don't buy the gheal thing. Even if a fair amount of your heals are gheals 10 or 15% vs 2 or 3 points in Blessed recovery doesn't seems like a fair trade to me, and in regards to being oom, flash heal still becomes ungreyed way before gheal does even with all the mana reducing talents you can possibly get.

Also I haven't played holy since s1 so this is just for arguments sake.

Also, tyv if you're reading this...these people say you need to do more to keep people off of me, so get to work you hobo.

[Yentull]

Of course it depends on your makeup of your group if your going to use gheal a lot and also depends on play style. But with the DR on silence I personally do believe that GH will be the better choice to use most the time in 2.3 but that is just me.

[Ebonics]

Sorry, I still don't buy the gheal thing. Even if a fair amount of your heals are gheals 10 or 15% vs 2 or 3 points in Blessed recovery doesn't seems like a fair trade to me, and in regards to being oom, flash heal still becomes ungreyed way before gheal does even with all the mana reducing talents you can possibly get.

Also I haven't played holy since s1 so this is just for arguments sake.

Also, tyv if you're reading this...these people say you need to do more to keep people off of me, so get to work you hobo.

you'll go oom faster spamming flash heals. simple enough. right now its roughly 5% of my mana pool to cast a flash heal

[Wonder]

For the record, I think Enlightenment is the worst 5 point talent in Discipline.

[leogeo2]

Here's what I planned on going:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/priest/talents.html?5002123130525102015002305510003000000 00000000000000000000000000

Extra 4 points are for FW and PS.
Seems a bit different from what you guys made.

[Eve]

For the record, I think Enlightenment is the worst 5 point talent in Discipline.

Where else is there that's REALLY all that better to put it?

[Wonder]

Where else is there that's REALLY all that better to put it?

I'd take Imp. IF + Imp. PW:F over Enlightenment.

[locoroco]

i don't understand why everyone is gaga over enlightenment.....i definitely don't think its worth any talent points at all!

what do you guys think of this 41/20 build: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bxgMuhgtMzhofVtoc

I really like that build, probably going for that exact spec next Tuesday.

I can't see anything that's wrong with that spec or anything that could be improved with that spec either.

[Mano]

I think I'm going to be http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/priest/talents.html?5040323130525102315512305000000000000 00000000000000000000000000 with my mainfocus on 2vs2 with a warrior und 3vs3 with warrior/lock
oder would you recommend somethink else?

[Earrl]

I still say many Priests won't convert to Discipline. I just had an amazing PvP weekend after being 28/33 for the past 3 weeks.

[Pasco]

I will give Discipline a try in the last week of Season 2 (I only play my rogue/priest 2on2 team at the moment) and I hope that this will raise our chance to win against two DD combinations where we sometimes have a little trouble when I am chain CC'ed and maybe a little against warrior+shaman/paladin (warri + druid will still be unbeatable, even 10s Hamstring won't help much).

I am unsure about the exact spec but at the moment i would spec like Vadim posted.

[Sykeasaurus]

Are most people saying that Imp. Divine Spirit just isn't worth it with the spirit on PvP gear?

That's what I'm guessing.

[Sykeasaurus]

I think this spec has been linked before, but:

Link: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bxgMuhgtMcozfVtoc

Disc Tree

5/5 Silent Resolve - Seems like a must have, to me. I'm sure there are people who agree, but a lot of the priest's utility comes from their instant spells, and I'd prefer to not have my buffs purged off. Plus, more mana wasted on purge spam is better for me in the long run, I suppose.

3/3 Absolution & 5/5 Mental Agility - I think our mana pool as it is, is pretty awful in PvP. The meditation buffs are nice, and if you're getting PI, you'll have 5/5 Mental Stregth as it is, but mana conservation just seems essential to me. A lot of spells casted by me or dispels, or instants. I do use Flash Heal and Greater Heal when necessary obviously, but I do find more of my spells going towards instants. May as well have them as cheap as possible?

Holy Tree

1/1 Holy Nova - Have had it come through plenty of times to pop a stealther out, or to get the rogue that vanishes and tries to re-open up on me. ...And I've had max rank Holy Nova spam save me a free times when I was being looked at by way too many CS's or ES's and too far away from something to LoS. :(

1/3 Blessed Recovery - Just purge bait, more or less.


Only thing I felt like I really wanted in this spec, that I have now, is Imp Inner Fire, and MAYBE Imp Shield. (Isn't it getting a buff? Don't sidetrack the topic though talking about shield, please :P)

TL;DR - Link to 41/20 spec and reasons why.


***NOTE: 3 POINTS IN REFLECTIVE SHIELD ARE PLACE HOLDERS FOR FOCUSED WILL.

[Ebonics]

i will be trying http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bxxGuhgtMcozfVxoc

the 3/3 imp. shield is pending cuz im not entirely sure of the changes being made. if i decide not to then i'll probs put two into imp. fort and dunno bout the last one but probably doesnt matter. not gonna try this until s3, cuz i dont have the gear atm :P (although i'll be trying it out on another priest with the appropriate gear)

[Alaran]

I may be mistaken but it seems to me that the new disp tree is only a huge buff for 5v5. I have only had a bit to do my own testing on PTR but i felt that my survivability was greatly reduced with the lack of blessed resil. 3v3 I can see this build being strong if you run a 2 healer set up, but in most cases 2v2 and 3v3 the priest is the only healer. The new talents I feel leave you too open to burst as warriors with 40+%chance to crit can easily force you into channeling and land a pummel for a victory or a mage gets off a full shatter combo and everything crits again forcing a channel open for counter spell. Blessed resil made the incoming damage much more predictable which to me makes much more sense to spec without someone to back you up.

I will be remaining 28/33 for my push to glad in 2v2 with a rogue, as 75% of the teams we face are druid/warrior my ability to kite using instants and not get destroyed when stuck in a mace stun leaves little desire to go disp.

I guess my question is how do you all feel you can tank without a support healer with a 43/18 build over 28/33?

[padrote]

I think this spec has been linked before, but:

Link: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bxgMuhgtMcozfVtoc


That's point-for-point the spec I was thinking about.

[bryte]

i will be trying http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bxxGuhgtMcozfVxoc

the 3/3 imp. shield is pending cuz im not entirely sure of the changes being made. if i decide not to then i'll probs put two into imp. fort and dunno bout the last one but probably doesnt matter. not gonna try this until s3, cuz i dont have the gear atm :P (although i'll be trying it out on another priest with the appropriate gear)

That's the spec I have been favoring on test for the past week. I actually like the imp pw:s especially since I get 200 more +healing from new gear when s3 starts and it really helps with melee (wars and rogues being my biggest threat). If for some reason I revert it'll be two points in fort and one in holy nova to mess with rogues.