New Hemo Buff

[vexo]

PTR Patch Notes:

Hemorrhage: This ability now does 125% of weapon damage.


Looks like everyone is going to be hemo :D




(And my 3s is 2026 not 1900)

[chicosr]

PTR Patch Notes:

Hemorrhage: This ability now does 125% of weapon damage.


Looks like everyone is going to be hemo :D




(And my 3s is 2026 not 1900)

lol


Wait, were you serious?

[vexo]

yes, along w\ the +36 dmg debuff o_o

[phuzed]

anyone givin it good testing with arena and what not?

[Zhbog]

I believe the dmg debuff is back to 11.

[soulbane]

is AP normalised yet or still tied to weapon speed?

[buena]

Oh holy shit seriously?

Unless they finally normalize it like SS prepare to be have your computer explode when hemoed by raiding rogues with the 2.8 mace from BT. Or god forbid the warglaives, your whole house would probably explode

[herreth]

Hmm i wonder if this buff will make Hemo sustained damage so good i should also take it for a healer/rogue combo

[Teirisias]

I did 11 2v2 games on the PTR with a resto shaman last night, rocking S2 pummeler, and about 1470 AP (In season 3 gear, if you're specced hemo, you'll have closer to 1700 or 1800 AP assuming you gem and enchant for dps). It was doing as much damage as my combat mace build does on live. The damage output really is pretty amazing. Hemo hits were in the neighborhood of 500-600 damage, with 1k+ crits occurring fairly often even without lethality. The Dirty Deeds and Hemo buffs have really given subtlety some viable dps.

Unless it gets nerfed, 31/30 and its variations are in line to be the premiere rogue spec of 2.3, which I definitely wouldn't be opposed to! It's already a great 1v1 spec, so making it viable in group pvp would certainly be enough to warrant a respec on live for me. And yes, right now, it's still 36 damage per charge. I'd definitely recommend copying over to the PTR and trying it out for yourself.

[Zhbog]

I believe the dmg debuff is back to 11.

Sorry guys I was wrong.. the tool top says 11, but when you train hemo it is 36!

[phuzed]

This sucks, this is gunna make combat maces/mutilate obsolete, if hemo is gunna pump out about the same dmg AND you get 2 sets of cooldowns in arenas its gunna clearly be the way to go..

I like where we are now where mutilate / combat maces are both good and you get to choose based on playstyle.. now we gunna have to fight against rogues who have 2 sets of cooldowns, gunna be annoying as hell.

[Eternia]

Would you rather have one good build or three mediocre ones?

[Eve]

this is gunna make combat maces/mutilate obsolete

0/31/30 seems to be the FOTM - you can still get mace spec and AR...so I'm not really seeing how it's doing anything other than letting us spec into something that isn't at least 15 assassination.

[Jaz]

I know I'll definitely be doing some of the earlier matches of my 2's and 3's (resto druid/rogue and resto druid/aff lock/rogue) to test its sustained vs. 41+ pts in combat. If it turns out similar, seems as tho there should be no doubt which to spec.

[Zhbog]

Did you guy see this? Be interesting to see the comparison between SS and Hemo w/ the season 2/3 maces.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php

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t's still unclear if it's an intended change or not, but according to multiple reports and tests it seems that the attack speed on hemorrhage has been normalized to 2.4 (or 2.6, still unclear). Short version : big pewpew, long version : Head to Elitistjerks forums you'll find tons of people who like to sit around spreadsheets for hours.

[herreth]

I know I'll definitely be doing some of the earlier matches of my 2's and 3's (resto druid/rogue and resto druid/aff lock/rogue) to test its sustained vs. 41+ pts in combat. If it turns out similar, seems as tho there should be no doubt which to spec.

Jaz im in the exact same dilemma so by all means let me know what you discover. I really want to find out what kind sustained dps hemmorhage builds will be able to output.

As a sidenote, yes hemmo did indeed get normalized, so some of the elitistjerks posts at least would have it seem

[Earrl]

Myself (on my Priest) and a Rogue did 2v2 on PTR as Mutilate and we went 1-2. When he went Hemo, we went 29-0. He was putting out serious damage, he wasn't all washed up after one set of CD's. Or better yet, if it was an intense mana game, he would have all his abilities ready to go again to smash the opposition in.

I thought it was fantastic, and Rogues really needed this imo. Right now, once their set of CD's are gone, they are kinda worthless, this dramatically increases their Arena staying power, and while most Rogues will QQ and the like about not having their other specs be great, this is really a treat because it puts you in line with most of the other classes having that one REALLY MONSTER tree to spec into.

[Goysusthesecond]

I play 5 31 25 on the ptr with maces and also on live (for learning how to play the spec :) have 5k points Oo and alle the things ... what ever Oo.) on live it makes not soo much dmg, but you have all cds twice. on ptr your dmg output is soooooo hard. i was also surprised, when i first tryed it on ptr. hemo goes very nice!!!! and 5 31 25 will be one of the best builts for 2.3 . hf and gl

[Alcapwn]

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/9020/hemo9kio5.jpg


all i have to say

[Hershram]

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/9020/hemo9kio5.jpg


all i have to say

All I have to say is...

Raid buffs
2.7 MH
Stacked to hell AP
Probably a Reck Warrior
14 min Deserter (Probable Berzerker)
Shadowstep
BT gear (and assuming gems)

In short... how many of these will anyone see in an arena? This is merely the Rogue version of the 20k Chain Lightning pre-BC.

[Fallen]

Stop thinking about the screen, it's staged to get the highest possible crit just so people will say "OMFG, NERF NERF ROGUES OVERPOWERED" when't is a buff we needed to make sub tree worth speccing into

[Alcapwn]

im not saying it will happen in arenas

i posted it cuz its damn impressive

and yeah full raid buffs and summoned out of BG with zerker :P hahaha

Still this new hemo is a fair bit over the top.

[koroshi]

im not saying it will happen in arenas

i posted it cuz its damn impressive

and yeah full raid buffs and summoned out of BG with zerker :P hahaha

Still this new hemo is a fair bit over the top.

No it isn't, they increased the base damage but normalized it so the scaling isn't as good. Depending on weapon speed you may not see much of a damage increase at all over the old version.

[Eve]

All I have to say is...

Raid buffs
2.7 MH
Stacked to hell AP
Probably a Reck Warrior
14 min Deserter (Probable Berzerker)
Shadowstep
BT gear (and assuming gems)

In short... how many of these will anyone see in an arena? This is merely the Rogue version of the 20k Chain Lightning pre-BC.

Dude it's still cool.

[Hershram]

Yes, it's very aesthetically pleasing, but I don't want it to turn into one of those "ZOMG NERF ROGUES" crap that we saw with Shamans after the release of that 20k Chain Lightning.