what to do in 5on5s?

[headput]

at the moment im sl/sl cause of my lack of equip in 2s and 3s but im going to respecc ua soon.
im playing a 4 dps 5on5 ending up fearing and putting cot on everyone and dotting the main target doing hardly no dmg.

what do you do in 4dps 5on5s or what should i do?

[Soey]

Personally I would be going felguard spec if you had bad gear. SL/SL is terrible for 5's in terms of DPS.

You probably won't be getting aimed first if you have a priest on your team, which frees you up to CC healer if necessary and immolate/shadowbolt the main target.

[headput]

but i also play 2s and actually love felhunter with his silence and purge.
you think its better?(playing 2s together with sahdow priest)
i would lose 1 point shadow embance and 1 dot

and better stealth detection (we got problems with double rogue teams or teams with a rogue in it)

[Nm]

UA is best for a dps team like that, especially when you know they're not going to be going for you. All you need to do is toss up full dots on a target, fear the healer or iHoT the group and keep him cc'd while nuking the burst target.

UA isn't going to do very well for you in 2v2, as the majority of teams are now outlast teams, and UA is the easiest way to die. You're just going to have to decide which you want to be better at or start farming 100g a week in respecs.

[headput]

what about this:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=Ii0RmRdZbxczIizzesd

for all 3 teams
as i said, iv a kinda poor gear 11k life 80 resilience

with 2.3 it will jump up (as i got 2,3k arena points and 75k honor)

[Nm]

I haven't seen one felguard warlock in any bracket above 2150 to be honest. It's just half of the benefits of a felhunter, with no silence. The thing with 5v5 as a burst team, you're not meant to truly burn someone down until about 30 seconds into the fight, which is why UA would be a bit better, because it has a bit more burst damage than other specs, excluding destruction. What's going to win you games is the CC you give as well as the dps, which is why ua is best in 5v5.

2v2 and 3v3 becomes a survivability battle for the most part, and felguard is just not as much survivability as sl/sl. It's easier to banish and kill, which makes you even more susceptible to damage once that happens.

Overall, i'd say go with a 27/34 build, or something of the sort, which has a bit more damage with less survivability, but the closest thing you're going to get to a 23/38 build.

[Trillee]

ive seen many felguard locks in top 5v5s, felguard is alright.. i guess, but if you are going felguard, you should go 6/44/11 or 7/43/11 - 20/41 is for outlast / drain teams.

[Soey]

I haven't seen one felguard warlock in any bracket above 2150 to be honest.

Theres heaps, just not so much on 4DPS teams.

If you're going for UA with gimp gear that's easily spottable then there's no real point going with UA imo, cos you're going to be real squishy. However if there is a shadow priest on the team then it could work.

[headput]

whats the big deal about the shadowburn? (for 11 points i get more shadow dmg after crit (i dont crit at all, got 7,7% crit --> = 0 after resilience) -cast time (i normally dont cast bolts in pvp im just sticking with drain life) and a small instant. for that i lose, more dot reach, more dot dmg, more drain life dmg and healing, less resists (=more dmg and free cd) and nightfall.
u sure x/4x/11 is better than 20/41 ?

i play 2on2 with a shadow priest, 3on3 is atm with warrior/pala/me or frostmage/pala/me and frostmage/restroshaman/me.
my 5s: warrior(dont say anything about warriors in 4dps :P)/shadowpriest/eleshaman/pala/me.

if this helps

[headput]

no one?

[Nm]

Because you were talking about a 4dps burn team, Shadowburn is always nice to have. A warlock is mainly used for cc here because they have no burst dps, which is pretty obvious, so shadowburn is nice to take someone from that little bit of extra health they have so you don't have to worry about your teammates panicking.

[Trillee]

its also nice for the quicker immolate and shadowbolt, esp. when you do shadowbolt shadowburn, and both crit

[Ven]

well first off, there is a felguard warlock in a top team on bloodlust and he doesn't use a voidstar to my knowledge

strength of the felguard is his constant damage. he gets 2100 AP with battle shout and blessing of might (like 1900 with kings) after his frenzy builds up. intercept can be used like spell lock but is not as good obviously, and he is hard to kite because of his passive resistance to AoEs. resistances to AoEs and the damage he can do is also very nice when you stick him on a shaman or a mage

also, he adds a decent amount of passive dmg to the lock (5%) and offers small resistances for himself and the lock (he should have 49 passively)

his downfall is vulnerability to other warlocks in 5s. druids own him in 2s. it's not a bad 3s pet at all, but felhunter is still prolly better for the dispel option

otherwise, a fully stacked FG with heroism will be attacking a cloth target for 500-600 a swing every 1.40 seconds. 2.0 seconds w/o heroism / bloodlust. it can be a lot of damage for something that has a very good chance of always being on your target

[Julle]

Faster Shadowbolts + Instant 1300 nuke = GG.

It all really comes down to that last 5% finisher.