Warrior 35/23/3 for S3

[shyst]

I want to open up some discussion on which talents you guys/gals are going to get next season. Sticking with the standard 35/23/3 build there are only a few what I call “debatable” talents.

Deflection vs. Imp HS.
Personally I go 2pt deflection 3pt imp HS but I know some people go 5pt deflection

Anger Management
Most people got this because of the rage exploit but since they fixed it do you guys still think it’s worth it?

Imp Hamstring
I use to think this talent was complete trash until I started using it. Being able to randomly root someone is amazing when you need to buy your healers some time to get away. And the alternative to this would probably be more points in 2h spec…

Booming voice vs. UBW vs. imp Demo shout
I have booming voice right now cause I’m a lazy scrub but I do think imp demo shout is probably the strongest of the 3 talents.

Commanding presence vs. blood craze
Pretty much everyone gets commanding presence but I would like to try out blood craze one day

Right now I don’t have weapon mastery…since imho the assumption that everyone has it pretty much stops everyone from ever using disarm. Out of like the 800 games I’ve played this season I’ve been disarmed like once. However, after the patch I’m going to have to pick up the talent which leaves me with 1pt leftover that I can put into either – commanding presence, blood frenzy, or 2h spec.

[Beldd]

Well, I'm a pretty big fan of 35/23/3 so I'll throw my two cents out here:

Deflection vs Improved Heroic Strike: I go with Deflection here. I think a lot of people under estimate the value of not being hit. Parrying a Kidney shot, Wingclip, Mortal Strike, etc can very easily be the difference between dying and not. Improved Heroic Strike is just kind of icing of the cake.

Anger Management: This is a must have talent for PvP, in my opinion. You will spend so much time chasing people that this will actually be quite a bit of your rage generation, as well as allowing you to keep you rage longer if you drop combat. There have been many times where I've been 1 rage short of being able to use an ability, and anger management has ticked up that last rage point I've needed to use the attack. This is especially handy with a slow weapon like Stormherald.

Improved Hamstring: Anything that keeps your opponent from kiting you is a good thing. Also, as you mentioned before, it's great for assisting your teammates.

Booming Voice/Unbridled Wrath/Improved Demoralizing Shout: I usually use Booming Voice of these three options. I generally see caster heavy teams in 5s, and it's nice to not have to worry about refreshing your shouts for most matches. It's also very handy for unstealthing rogues and druids at the start of matches. That's not to say the other talents aren't good, I think that talent best suits me.

Commanding Presence vs Blood Craze: I used Blood Craze at the start of Season One, and it was handy to have for 1v1 fights and 2v2 Arena, but I found it was more or less useless in 5v5 (which is the only bracket I really care about). The extra attack power or health from Commanding Presence is more useful, I think.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warrior/talents.html?0500502132201502202120055000104005012 00000000300000000000000000000 is my current PvP spec. I prefer to not risk being disarmed, so I max that talent out. I think for S3 I will most likely keep that spec.

[Kcolraw]

However, after the patch I’m going to have to pick up the talent which leaves me with 1pt leftover that I can put into either – commanding presence, blood frenzy, or 2h spec
blood frenzy > 2h spec imo, you can pretty much always expect it to be on your target

33/25/3 is pro too, if you're into imp slam

[nubbey]

if i cared to waste the respec money i'd drop imp heroic strike for the deflection points, because sunder is a much better rage dump overall

[shyst]

good point...and on a slightly different topic...how good do you guys think a ER build (41/20?) or a concussion blow build (35/5/21) would be?

[Kcolraw]

imo 41/17/3 > 41/20/0

concussion blow build could be interesting, best thing about it tho is imo the fact that you can actually tank with it lolol, save some respec moneyz

[Phiers]

Concussion blow saves diminishing returns with charge and intercept, and other stuns from other classes, last time I had it (which was probably a few months into season1).

Deflection vs. Imp HS.
Deflection. When you parry, you hit sooner on your next hit, as well as take 0 damage from that hit. Far more useful than -3 rage on an ability you rarely use.

Anger management is 20 rage per minute. It'd be foolish not to pick it up.

Booming voice is okay, though I like UW for the smaller fights where every rage counts. Also, you can't give your partner(s) a difference shout than yourself in Lordaeron if you have points in Booming Voice.

Blood craze is trash in 5s, virtually useless in 3s, and only moderately helpful in 2s. 1 in piercing howl, 4 in commanding presence all the way.

Blood frenzy is a good talent. It depends on your team makeup, and how much you really find you crit to keep the debuff up, but it's not something to overlook unless you just don't find yourself able to keep it up or you constantly switch targets.

Endless rage vs the disarm talent, sweeping strikes, and tactical mastery (which you will need, to disarm your target consistantly, which you will be doing). It's just not worth it.

[nubbey]

if you only care about 5v5, i believe 45/5/11 is the best spec. Enrage doesn't help when you're running like a bitch from 4dps with a shield on. piercing howl is the only thing i REALLY miss from mid fury

[goodolarchie]

I'm not sold on endless rage for 5s. The new sweeping strikes is absolutely rediculous damage when timed right and super easy to pull off.

[soujeh]

Deflection vs. Imp HS.
Full deflection for sure. For 5v5 you can make an argument out of it I guess, but if you do any 3v3 or 2v2 the extra parry is BY FAR better than Imp Heroic Strike. Sunder is as mentioned before a much better rage dump.

Anger Management
Get it! One of the better one-point talents.

Imp Hamstring
This is a lot better than 2H Spec for the same reasons mace spec is better than sword (let's not start a new discussion about that though), it brings something new to the table, the ability to root someone. It's also a VERY good root, since it's physical and cannot be "dispelled" like magic and poison.

Booming voice vs. UBW vs. imp Demo shout
I think Booming Voice is better for 5v5 situations at least, where you won't have as much time "focusing" on rebuffing your shouts, and Demoralizing Shout range and duration helps you a lot. In 2v2 and 3v3 Imp Demo Shout is definitely not a bad choice.

Commanding Presence vs. Blood Craze
I want to try Blood Craze for 2v2 with a resto druid, I think it would definitely be better than Commanding Presence. Commanding for 5v5 and 3v3 though.

Get Weapon Mastery, for sure.

[gatoja]

imo, the real argument comes down to which weapon enchant do you want?

I think the question should be
adam. weapon chain + endless rage

vs

executioner/whatver + weapon mastery

[Monstrosity]

Remember with Deflection when you parry an attack it will speed up your next swing by up to 50% and benefits more from slower weapons.

[Xinowl]

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warrior/talents.html?0500501133201502200120005050131005212 00000000300000000000000000000
Ill either spec 33/28 or 33/25/3 , since when your using a mace (stormherald in start of the season), and your hitting with 3,8 speed and no flurry, it becomes kinda crappy.. Though imp slam catches up with the dps, and blood frenzy isn't that awesome a talent compared to imp slam.

Though i'll mostr likely stick to my old 33/28, until i get myself a S3 3.6 speed weapon. Blood craze ftw for solo survival in arena though, especially in season 3, since the fights will end up being mana and healing dependant..