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Snuffy
10-27-2007, 03:43 PM
ok i usually never have problems with pallys / warlocks, but tbqh we have vsed many at all at the higher brackets, the one's we vsed at the ~2200 bracket usually are all stupid to slip up and let me get an intercept -> execute on the VW when it's low (we were 2399 but i teamdisbanded my 2v2 by accident due to blizzard's stupid bug where it was in my 3v3 spot).

This one team though, consisting of Piing from Ner'zhul, and his t6 + crystal spire of karabor partner we cannot beat. Sometimes we can manage to stop him from summoning the voidwalker he just fel doms one and i have no idea what to do. I keep everything hamstringed as much as possible but my druid simply cannot keep up healing me and himself (they split damage) with his mana. he tries to drink as much as possible but it's hard with long range spells plus pally + pet + warlock on him. he also gives freedom to whatever's closest so it keeps my druid in combat. in addition to this he's not dumb and flashes the pet up regularly keeping it up. i stack sunders on the warlock and everything but i just don't know what to do. on my new team 4 of the losses game from D/Cs, 1 from a dumb mistake against a rogue/spriest, and 3 from this team.

just looking for advice on what to do -_-

Tirax
10-27-2007, 04:06 PM
Kill the paladin, if hes wearing T6 and not pvp gear you should be able to 3 shot him. PvE geared paladins depend on nobody attacking them and have amazing healing if you leave them alone.

Sideria
10-27-2007, 04:17 PM
Kill the paladin, if hes wearing T6 and not pvp gear you should be able to 3 shot him. PvE geared paladins depend on nobody attacking them and have amazing healing if you leave them alone.

I hope your joking. Ok this is what most pallys do that wear pve gear... They wear the pve gear to get the set(s) bonus and just put on the vet gear. Pallys can tank a warrior forever if they have too. It's not hard at all for them. If they kite its going to be even harder. A good warrior will not take a good pally down that is wearing pve gear.

Tirax
10-27-2007, 04:35 PM
I hope your joking. Ok this is what most pallys do that wear pve gear... They wear the pve gear to get the set(s) bonus and just put on the vet gear. Pallys can tank a warrior forever if they have too. It's not hard at all for them. If they kite its going to be even harder. A good warrior will not take a good pally down that is wearing pve gear.

Its going to be a lot harder to kill a Sl/Sl lock with a pve paladin healing, than it will be to kill a pve paladin. As hes already proven he cant kill the lock, logically you would try something new instead of tanking with the same strategy. But do as you will.

Zephira
10-27-2007, 04:45 PM
T6 for a paladin has significantly more armor than Merciless gear. If anything, wearing T6 for the setbonus and then veteran's gear makes the paladin HARDER to kill than one wearing only glad/pvp gear.

Ocius
10-27-2007, 04:54 PM
Kill the Paladin. Trying to kill a Warlock with Fel Armor, Soul Link, and no interrupts on a PvE geared Paladin is a futile effort.

The game won't be short and it'll be very tough on your Druid to sustain the two of you long enough, but it's really your only option. My partner and I have come up against a few SL/SL + Paladin groups with similar gear and we've had pretty good results with killing the Paladin. The only other tip is to kill the Felhunter if an opportunity presents itself (meaning don't go for it unless your Druid is in a position to CC-lock the Paladin).

Outside of that your Druid just has to keep trying to drink and avoid Drain Mana. If you can make the Warlock pull out a Voidwalker, you'll have a much better chance (Voidwalkers don't have high resists and can be rooted more reliably so your Druid can drink).

Snuffy
10-27-2007, 05:05 PM
the problem is he frequently dispels + freedoms the VW so it just chases my druid -_-

Quiescence
11-02-2007, 11:45 PM
Kill the paladin, if hes wearing T6 and not pvp gear you should be able to 3 shot him. PvE geared paladins depend on nobody attacking them and have amazing healing if you leave them alone.

Thats downright incorrect. A t6 palla is by no means something you just smack as a warrior. If he can play, he wont die till he has 0 mana, or at the very least, used both bubbles and you manage to down him between CDs are up.

kahara
11-03-2007, 02:22 AM
do not kill the paladin

druid + warrior owns paladin + warlock. on my druid/warrior team we're 2234 and havn't lost any of our 10 or so games against paladin lock

you HAVE to kill the pets. this is actually very easy against a paladin healer, who has no CC or hots

basically, build rage up to 50+ on the warlock, then switch to the pet. have your druid CC the paladin until the pet dies

after two pets, which could take anywhere between 1 and 10 minutes depending on how good the enemy team is at keeping it up, you've won. stay on the warlock, have your druid cyclone the warlock if he tries to bop/summon otherwise just pummel any summons you can. you should have fear, or be able to intercept or even have your druid feral charge/cyclone if pummel is down or resisted

Jackal
11-03-2007, 06:08 AM
do not kill the paladin

druid + warrior owns paladin + warlock. on my druid/warrior team we're 2234 and havn't lost any of our 10 or so games against paladin lock

you HAVE to kill the pets. this is actually very easy against a paladin healer, who has no CC or hots

basically, build rage up to 50+ on the warlock, then switch to the pet. have your druid CC the paladin until the pet dies

after two pets, which could take anywhere between 1 and 10 minutes depending on how good the enemy team is at keeping it up, you've won. stay on the warlock, have your druid cyclone the warlock if he tries to bop/summon otherwise just pummel any summons you can. you should have fear, or be able to intercept or even have your druid feral charge/cyclone if pummel is down or resisted

even if ur ccing the pally as u kill the pet good locks will go behind a pillar and resummon one as u finish off his last one, its not as ez as u make it sound

I would stay on the lock that doesnt seem to be working so idk, just crit every hit! lol

Stonebull
11-06-2007, 06:10 AM
i love when my druid gets skillcoiled and uses trinket so he can just get hojed while boped lock is resummoning 3rd pet

Phiers
11-06-2007, 04:05 PM
A paladin in 2pc t6 gains sooooo much over full merciless. The bonus is 5% crit on holy light. The loss of 60? resilience hardly matters, especially when t6 has a significant armor increase over t5. Trying to kill him because of his pve gear'll just make you lose more.

Edril
11-07-2007, 04:30 AM
By attacking the paladin, you will however be interrupting his healing quite often, which will force him to use holy light more often than if he was just spam healing his warlock with fel armor and soul link.

Ryno
11-07-2007, 10:55 AM
A lot of people are basing their strategies off of normal pally/lock teams, only around 1500 healing pallies. The t6 paladins have 2400ish healing and are near impossible to beat. We completely dominate (dominated off team atm) any normal full merc pally lock, the T6 paladin lock, especially those locks w/ the pet resist trinkets are impossible as far as i can see