[5v5] Best healer for 4-dps team?

[Zephira]

Very simple question of opinion/preference here:

What would you say is the best healer for a 4-dps team?

[Xcrcst]

Pally hands down. Since the idea is to kill the enemy warrior, if they have one, in the first 10 seconds on the fight, you'd want your pally to bubble right away so he can spam heals on you guys so no one dies. By the time bubble is out the warrior should be dead and after that its your game usually.

Other healers, such as druids, can be CCed around making it very easy for them to kill one of you quickly. While I have seen druids as 4DPS healers, paladins are still the main healer for this team setup.

oh, and hey zeph =) hurry and get your 3s up! you wouldnt want horde to be rollin all over you like that, would you? =P (Check my armory for updated ratings, the side panel hasnt updated yet)

[Zephira]

That's what I was thinkin'. It's tough to beat a paladin's protective spam healing capabilities. However, I was thinkin' about a druids as well because of their amazing burst heals and CC. I also ran into a 4-dps team (rogue/mage/warlock/priest/shaman) with a shaman healer that absolutely raped our team, so I'm torn, haha.

'ey Xcrst = )

[Xcrcst]

You probably ran into the same team we ran into with that 4 dps shaman healer. Shamans aren't good 4DPS healers. They are easily CCed with no ways to prevent it. I ran with a 4 DPS team with a druid healer, but once the other team figured out that druid was our only healer, they just forced him into bear and nuked us down. Stick with pallys.

[Ebonics]

Shamans aren't good 4DPS healers. .

>_>
a good shaman can do just fine healing a 4 dps. my setup is spriest/ lock / fr mage / rog / R shm and we're 2223 atm. the only hard counter vs our team is other 4 dps teams taht use a paladin and 3 healer teams. but just because its harder doesnt mean you still cant win. just takes a different strat than bursting down.

[Ryno]

A shaman can do it fine, and you can gain lust from him
http://wowarmory.com/team-info.xml?r=Warsong&ts=5&t=We+Use+Pots&select=We+Use+Pots
check them out

[Millertanks]

A Pally in GM or HWL with Full vets can get you to 2.1 if the rest of the team has gear. Just make sure if you opt for a shaman you have a priest or and elemental shaman for the other team to target first.

[Cantis]

I like druids...but id perfer a pally

[Pau]

imo, any healer can do it to at least 2k, druids and priests need a bit of CC on their teams to make it and pallies definetly have it easiest but its not impossible. And shamans definetly dont have the least ways to avoid CC, between ES/Grounding totem and los, its hard to CC a situationally aware Shaman. Heroismed 1 second heals own too. A healer that can provide that much of a damage boost is definetly not gimp.

edit:my 5v5 hasnt updated in armory yet :(

[Final]

Pallys or Druids are your best bet, Pallys for staying power BoSac and Bubble, Resto druids for difficulty of cc and cyclones for more CC. Shamans can make good 4 dps teams when played right. The bloodlust is just nuts and tears people apart.

[Yothga]

resto shaman is nice for extra burst and offensive dispel
druid is nice for overpoweredness+cyclone spam
paladin is nice cuz of bubbel and BoSac so he cant get CCd
priest just wont work as wel as the others

[Playdough]

Resto Druids hands down, any one that says pally because of bubble is a joke, the sec bubble goes up it should come down all balance group set ups should know that and practice it, a druid is far better because of his burst healing and HoTs along with there ability to avoid CC and LOS. I have never seen a good 4 dps set up make it far with a pally.

Not to mention druids have a good amount of CC.

A good druid is amazing in a 4dps set up.

[Alifie]

Druid or Paladins are the best in a 4 dps team.Druids can CC,Paladins cn BoP and save your life,depens on the situation.

[Ebonics]

I have never seen a good 4 dps set up make it far with a pally.


not true. paladins are actually really good 4 dps healers imo WHEN they are coupled with an elemental shaman. look at clan hex for example. 4 dps with paladin healer/ elemental shaman 2485 rated rank 1 on vindication.

what it really comes down to is the structure of your 5v5 and what type of healer they can support.

[Playdough]

not true. paladins are actually really good 4 dps healers imo WHEN they are coupled with an elemental shaman. look at clan hex for example. 4 dps with paladin healer/ elemental shaman 2485 rated rank 1 on vindication.

what it really comes down to is the structure of your 5v5 and what type of healer they can support.

It is true, I said I have never seen one, I have not and can not play that team since they are on a different BG, however we have a simmilar one on our BG though rank 2 2400 something and last time we played them we took them for just under 100 rating, because the pally relied on a bubble hoping they could gib someone. I am fully convinced resto druid > pally in a 4 dps setting.

[Ebonics]

It is true, I said I have never seen one, I have not and can not play that team since they are on a different BG, however we have a simmilar one on our BG though rank 2 2400 something and last time we played them we took them for just under 100 rating, because the pally relied on a bubble hoping they could gib someone. I am fully convinced resto druid > pally in a 4 dps setting.

well you got me on that one. but i would suggest not being full convinced of what you only have seen, which seems to be limited. im not saying resto druids are worse than paladins, and im not saying paladins are better. pretty much im saying both can be equally as good but it really lays heavy on what type of structure of a 4 dps you are using.

personally my team uses a resto shaman as only healer for our 4 dps setup. we have the right make up to support him as an only healer. our hardest match ups are 4 dps teams that use a paladin. this is because their paladin can get the 12 seconds of immunity and stopping the gib from us while they can gib one of us and easily put CC on him. and ya ya i have mass dispell but good teams will stop you from using it, not to mention it resist 1 out of 4 times now adays.

[Pyrosis]

Resto Druids hands down, any one that says pally because of bubble is a joke, the sec bubble goes up it should come down all balance group set ups should know that and practice it, a druid is far better because of his burst healing and HoTs along with there ability to avoid CC and LOS. I have never seen a good 4 dps set up make it far with a pally.

Not to mention druids have a good amount of CC.

A good druid is amazing in a 4dps set up.

id say pala/sp/lock/warr/frostmage is a pretty viable setup saying other wise just makes u look clueless tbh :)

[Treteris]

I would definitely say pally also, my 5v5 consists of me(healer), double frost mage, rogue and SL lock and most of the time (unless I completely fuck up) its very easy to keep them up mainly because we have so much CC but I'm sure any other healer wouldn't really cut it just because one CS/fear and it'd be over.

[koroshi]

Better to make the shaman elemental, non DOT instant burst nuke + offensive dispel not concerned with healing and bloodlust. Also you've got the extra spell interrupt with earth shock focus. It's really hard to overstate the value of lightning bolt > NS CL > earth shock when combined shadowburn/shadow word death. When used in concert these abilities make awesome execute moves. I also think sub rogues will be much more common in these type of setups, such as in vanish > shadowstep > ambush on a warrior in "execute" range.

[phuzed]

a group of us are gunna try resto druid, mace rogue, sl/sl lock, UA lock, Spriest.

should be fun :)

[Cantis]

not true. paladins are actually really good 4 dps healers imo WHEN they are coupled with an elemental shaman. look at clan hex for example. 4 dps with paladin healer/ elemental shaman 2485 rated rank 1 on vindication.

what it really comes down to is the structure of your 5v5 and what type of healer they can support.

They've also been playing together since the beginning of starcraft and know everyones play style

[Ebonics]

They've also been playing together since the beginning of starcraft and know everyones play style

doesnt change what i meant tho. and ya, they're all really good players.

[Final]

Resto Druids hands down, any one that says pally because of bubble is a joke, the sec bubble goes up it should come down all balance group set ups should know that and practice it, a druid is far better because of his burst healing and HoTs along with there ability to avoid CC and LOS. I have never seen a good 4 dps set up make it far with a pally.

Not to mention druids have a good amount of CC.

A good druid is amazing in a 4dps set up.

We run with a pally and we're ahead of you...

The priest never has a chance to dispell the pally bubble because if the priest stops healing their warrior dies. Not to mention the shadow priest can dispell or shield people.

[Medz]

Ive run 4dps with a shaman healer and the one thing most people forget about when thinking about paladins is bop/bof/bos. Bop for s-priest, bof for melee and or opposing teams target, and bos for a few seconds of sheep immunity. Shamans have grounding totem going for them, but besides that their lack of a bubble/changeforms to get out of crown control gives them less viability in 4 dps. The strong fast heals with bloodlust do make them a great addition, but ele shaman can usually fulfil the bloodlust role. And earth shield is a joke as most top teamsrun with several offensive dispels.

[Melliah]

You probably ran into the same team we ran into with that 4 dps shaman healer. Shamans aren't good 4DPS healers. They are easily CCed with no ways to prevent it. I ran with a 4 DPS team with a druid healer, but once the other team figured out that druid was our only healer, they just forced him into bear and nuked us down. Stick with pallys.

i guarantee you shaman healers for 4 dps would be by far the best choice IF elemental shaman werent even better in a 4 dps environment

people want ele shaman for the burst damage, so they get a pally or druid as opposed to a resto shaman due to the second shaman not adding a great deal to the team in comparison to the first shaman

considering how hard a pally can be cc'd after their bubble is down...
id have to say for high rated matches a druid tends to fit better
mainly because it brings cyclone to the table as well, which goes a long way to ccing what would be key heals on the teams focus target

though BoP and bubble can make all the difference against some teams considering the likelyhood of the priest having a moment to actually remove either, of course im biased and dont play with an ele shaman for the extra purge, so i shouldnt really assume one is better than the other because im just not sure, lol

[Ebonics]

i guarantee you shaman healers for 4 dps would be by far the best choice IF elemental shaman werent even better in a 4 dps environment



ya, pretty true statement. to bad i couldnt find an ele shaman, there were none on my server worth a shit at the time, so i got a resto druid and dropped our pally for our 4 dps and we went up 200 points in one week. we're still doing really good, our weakness is other 4 dps teams that use paladin / ele shaman. and sometimes 3 healers teams are very very hard, but we've been managing them quite nicely.

[nubbey]

We run with a pally and we're ahead of you...

The priest never has a chance to dispell the pally bubble because if the priest stops healing their warrior dies. Not to mention the shadow priest can dispell or shield people.

not if the warrior turns a corner and the mage/lock are spamming cc...but yeah, i would say paladin. druid would be, too, but they can't just bubble and spam heals to keep someone up