[3v3] Rogue/Priest/Lock vs Priest/Lock/War

[Cel]

I'm on the Rogue/Priest/Lock team and we recently went up against a Priest/Lock/Warrior team and had some serious trouble, partially because of FEAR WARD, but really, it just felt like we couldn't do much for CC.

I managed to drop the lock (I'm the rogue BTW) but then our Priest died seconds later... we lost a good 21 points per match, we are currently 2200. Anyone have any experience against this matrix?

It's our first time against it and so far, it seems like a counter to our setup.

Just interested in starting some convo's on this particular matchup.

Thanks in advance,

Cel

[Specineff]

Eh. They have no BoF, maybe put crippling up (or hamstring if you were playing warrior) on the warrior after he trinkets to allow your priest to kite more effectively since they can't dispell poison. I am assuming your warlock is some affliction/SL spec - have him put up CoE on the warrior too.

[Cel]

Eh. They have no BoF, maybe put crippling up (or hamstring if you were playing warrior) on the warrior after he trinkets to allow your priest to kite more effectively since they can't dispell poison. I am assuming your warlock is some affliction/SL spec - have him put up CoE on the warrior too.

Yeah, we figured the no poison dispel is our advantage, here's the problem:

The Warlock is GNOME so he's got a free removal of snare, not to mention he can save his trinket for snare as well, since he's got Fear Ward...

The Priest is DORF - aka Stoneform, so I can't even POISON her for a time.

Any more comments? I mean, it goes deeper than my response, we are def. covering bases, but it's just a hard out so to speak. The Warrior started attacking me in order to keep hamstring up as well, our Priest gets CoT'd then feared, while I'm trying to catch back up to the LOCK, and meanwhile our Warlock is doing what he can but he's getting tons of immunes on his fears due to the ward.

[Specineff]

Sounds like you have all your bases covered, your warlocks CC is being elminated due to fear ward. Could possbily try to dispell it before fearing, either via preist or felhunter. I think if you subed the warlock for the mage that would be more effective since you could just keep the preist sheeped the entire game and snare up the warrior pretty easily.

[Barr]

We just started running rogue/lock/priest on our 3v3, we used to use a feral druid but hes going resto now and will sub in for the priest (me) when needed. But, against the priest/lock/warrior teams weve played, yes fear ward can be a bitch, and the priest will not have time to waste his globals on dispelling all the buffs to control fear ward.

Some strats to try out would be to rush them, the sap isnt too important, try to get one fear bomb off on all three targets or atleast two. Youve now taken fear ward down, have the other player fear bomb directly after. Now its up to the lock to watch for who the priest puts fear ward and and hard cast a fear on them to remove the buff, since the priest is being focused the lock should have no problem with this. The fear ward will generally go on the lock or priest since the warrior is pretty much immune to fear as it is, as I'm sure you know.

So now that you have dealt with fear ward for the most part the game become simple. Have the priest use mind control on the warrior (if the lock is UA have them put UA on the warrior prior to the MC to prevent dispel), if he pummels it great now the priest can heal with ease, pending fel hunter is banished. Once the warrior is MC'd if in Blade's Egde jump him off the bridge and put him under the bridge and in the center circle then have the lock walk down the ramp and put exaustion on him once MC wears off. This takes the warrior out of the game for a good 15 seconds (which is about 4-5 mana burns for the priest). The rogue should be on the lock and should be able to shut him down with ease. The lock will be on priest dotting and mana draining him and the priest can mana burn when time allows. Always have the lock use DC on the warrior when priest calls for it in defense.

This is the strat we use and it has worked well against this team. MC is a huge advantage and many priests dont use it enough. The priest can usually kite the warrior for a while too with exaustion and a properly timed trinket. So pretty much your taking out both DPS and draining the priests mana, takes a bit longer but it's almost a guaranteed win. Also if the warrior trinkets the first fear blind him, they have no poison removal, pending hes not dwarf.

Hope this helps.

[Erosion]

We play lock/rogue/spriest, which actually makes this a fairly favorable matchup. (I'm an UA lock, btw) I usually charge in and iHowl (fear bomb), followed immediately by the priest. If he sees enough of the other team trinket / immune, he'll fear bomb right after. We use this disruption to stack full dots on our dps target while our rogue opens on it.

In the matchup you described, we'd pick the warrior. The warrior has no choice but to go defensive, or risk getting 100-0'd before a heal ever lands (usually, the warrior doesn't know this, so he does infact get 100-0'd). Spriest silence, spelllock silence, and a fear interupt is a long time to go without a heal. If the warrior deathwished out of the fearbomb, it's usually gg already. If he does pull out a shield and go defensive, it gets a bit rocky, but their damage should be almost non-existant. I fear their lock, and start spreading dots around.

Another thing to look for in lock v lock matches, if the opposing lock runs a feltard, they're trivial to banish (no curse needed). The banish will also drop his SL, making him a prime target to lock down and gib. Especially because their healer doesn't expect that much dmg to come in on them.

[Cel]

Yeah, some good points here. I think a lot of trouble comes from the DORF priest... if we were to fight this matrix without the DORF component, we'd probably do fine. What sucks is, if I go for the priest (as a rogue) she just stoneforms, so it's hard to keep with her - the warrior will zip over and hamstring me, and in fact, in a few of the games he elected to beat on ME exclusively and since I was going for the priest, their warlock was able to get CC's off on our Priest. Meh.

I think what we came to was that we were gonna try to have our Warlock keep CoE up on the priest and hopefully that will allow me to beat her down and not get kited as badly.