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wmd221

10-25-2009, 02:26 AM

seriously the most fun ive ever had just 2 shotting people with phase boots, desolator, assault cuirass, crystallis, harkon's blade.

its absolutely retarded being able to crit people for 1400 damage with good aspd.

Woony

10-25-2009, 07:24 AM

He is overpowered, but all the people who push their PSR with him say hes not. Same with Scout.

Snuffy

10-25-2009, 09:52 AM

Exode

10-25-2009, 10:04 AM

scout is only op against a brainless bunch of retards who cant buy some wards/dust and farm him early. He is useless unless left to farm for 20-30mins without anyone trying to stop him. If you are dumb enough to let that happen then your deserve to get farmed by scout the rest of the game. Hes not OP.

I agree in public matches puppet is pretty fucking strong but again if your smart and you gank him early then he aint OP. I guess what im trying to say is no hero is OP, your just looking at two Carries and going OMG they OP because they rape you. This is only because you have left a Carry class to farm freely for the items that allow him to CARRY. So stupid these brainless fucks posting about how these "carry" heroes are OP because you have left them to become a carry. You can leave a support hero to farm freely and he wont become some ganking killing machine but thats because its not their role. They are designed to assist the Carrys in getting kills. Heroes are based around this when made and brainless idiots need to realise the difference in heroes instead of posting qq nonsense like this.

Nez

10-25-2009, 10:08 AM

stop playing em games

Woony

10-25-2009, 12:42 PM

why would you deso + harkons?

.........

and he's not overpowered, woony, you're dumb as fuck, neither is scout

scout is an okay hero who is 500x less annoying then NA and wouldn't get picked by any decent game due to the fact he can't lane for shit and has to farm for 30 minutes to do anything decent

puppet master is a piece of shit excuse for a hero who is only useful in pubs when you can free farm vs idiots.

Being able to 2 shot things and doing more damage than many carrys while having 2 ok disables and being a int hero is not op?
Saying dont let him farm, is the same like saying stun him to death, it's no argument, you can say that about EVERY hero in the game.
He may be not overpowered in Clanwars, but you cant ignore public balance, because thats what 90% of the players play.

Same with Scout, even after the Disarm nerf, Disarm crits are still insane and hes still overpowered as hell in non Clanwar/Inhous games.

Snuffy

10-25-2009, 01:26 PM

no, you can ignore public balance, because if you ONLY play pubs, you are a fucking terrible and should not be allowed to have an opinion

balancing to account for mediocre and terrible players is retarded

let me explain why puppet is terrible to the retarded idiot who thinks OH HE CAN 2 SHOT PPL AND HAS TWO DISABLES AND HES INT HES OVERPOWERED.

his hold is weak. it does not stop them from attacking, it does not fully silence as of the latest patch and it doesn't stop from moving making it below tier for pinning.

puppet show is his one good skill but is easily avoided if you have a brain and can position well, out of clashes it's just a disable (which is good)

WHIPLASH SHOULDN'T BE ON A FUCKIN INT DISABLING HERO, AND BECAUSE IT IS IT MAKES PEOPLE TRY AND GO CARRY PUPPET ALA 2 SHOTTING IDIOTS, HOWEVER IF YOU GO CARRY PUPPET IT MEANS YOUR TEAM IS WINNING THE GAME FOR YOU AND YOU ARE BEING A USELESS DUMB FAGGOT WHO IS FARMING THE ENTIRE GAME. IT ALSO PUSHES THE LANE AND IS A RETARDED LANING SKILL YET IS REQUIRED EARLY GAME

his ult is fucking retarded and completely out of place which has no real synergy to the hero, you can argue oh hold him then cast puppet and rape... or you can just auto attack without casting puppet wasting a hold just so you can puppet and kill them that way. stupid ult that cost a shitload of mana, has a huge cooldown and can fuck off.

the cast range of his skills have been improved since the last few patches, but that doesn't change the fact that there are heroes that can disable better, farm better, dps better, just generally shit on him because he's a failure of a hero.

on top of ALL of this, he has no escape skill and a shitty hp gain

do you know what happens to puppet vs any decent team? they shit on him from 0:30 -> end game, because he gets two shot.

don't get me wrong, i love playing him in pubs too, because i can farm 4k gold by 13 minutes vs retarded randoms, but i can do that with any hero.

Aesa

10-25-2009, 02:57 PM

He may be not overpowered in Clanwars, but you cant ignore public balance, because thats what 90% of the players play.

great idea, lets do that for WoW too and balance around Alterac Valley since like 1000x more people play that consistently than high level arena

Crackslapper

10-25-2009, 05:17 PM

You can pubsmash with any carry. Shut the fuck up

wmd221

10-25-2009, 07:45 PM

Woony

10-25-2009, 10:17 PM

great idea, lets do that for WoW too and balance around Alterac Valley since like 1000x more people play that consistently than high level arena

You should rather compare it with WoW Raidcontent. Why make Content that only 5% of the players actually experience? Im not saying you should scrap any clanwar balance. But sometimes there are heros that are obviously totally retarded in publics (Scout, Puppet) and picked in every game and it makes no sence to not touch them because they would become weak in competitive (the scene is laughable anyways, 90% of the players play pub only and there are some tournaments with laughable price money every few months. (the organistors dont pay the price money anyways, lol))

Crackslapper

10-25-2009, 10:18 PM

greyname

Woony

10-25-2009, 10:21 PM

greyname

"Hi i'm krimm and im to stupid to react to arguments so I prefer flaming people instead of arguing, oh this guys hasnt posting requirements, lets flame him for this, even if it has completly no relation and weight to the topic."

Crackslapper

10-25-2009, 10:25 PM

rof ok nerd

they aren't even op in pub games

shut the fuck up already

Aesa

10-25-2009, 11:53 PM

Alright Woony since you're writing fairly nice posts I'll give you a thorough response.

You should rather compare it with WoW Raidcontent. Why make Content that only 5% of the players actually experience?
First of all, they DO do that (Algalon, Sunwell, Naxx in vanilla, etc.), so PvE'ers have something to work towards, which is the fun part of PvE. Imagine if every new instance (Ulduar, ToC, Icecrown) in WotLK was the same difficulty as Naxx just so all the players could experience it. You think that'd be better or worse?

Second of all, HoN/PvP content applies to all players using the same skillset/playerset, it's not like the HoN developers spend time implementing content specifically for clanwars. In other words, my comparison that you completely ignored was actually more relevant (although obviously not perfect). A parallel in HoN for "content that only 5% of the players experience" would be if you unlocked new heroes/items/maps when you hit a certain PSR rating.

(the scene is laughable anyways, 90% of the players play pub only and there are some tournaments with laughable price money every few months.

The game is in BETA. Spirit_moon (not me :() makes 150,000 US$ a year playing Warcraft 3, Slayerz_Boxer makes even more playing Starcraft. Now, how much prize money do you think the BETA tournaments in Starcraft/Wc3 offered?

Also, if you've ever played Starcraft, are you of the opinion that it should be balanced around infinite gold maps like Big Game Hunters (what 90% of the playerbase played) where you don't need to expand at all, or should it be balanced around actual ladder maps?

(btw- I'm not sure exactly what it is, but s2 will host a tournament at release that will offer over $500,000 in prizes or something)

Cheky

10-26-2009, 12:02 AM

Snuffie u rage too much

Cova

10-26-2009, 12:08 AM

imma disagree puppet is a good hero in team games too

Scarra

10-26-2009, 12:09 AM

puppet's str gain makes me cringe

Snuffy

10-26-2009, 04:09 AM

Snuffie u rage too much

ya i'm totally raging frothing at my mouth

Fazzmania

10-27-2009, 07:05 AM

ya i'm totally raging frothing at my mouth

seems like it brah

Snuffy

10-27-2009, 12:25 PM

lmfao you're a fucking retard

Aesa

10-27-2009, 12:25 PM

HEH best pubstomping hero is maliken anyway

1400 exp/min in EM
800 exp/min in regular

Zlade

10-28-2009, 05:05 AM

maliken in pubs not needing regen to lane is funny

Cheky

10-29-2009, 11:17 PM

HEH best pubstomping hero is maliken anyway

1400 exp/min in EM
800 exp/min in regular

You have to try very hard to not get kills with Maliken

Ult+blue sword and everything dies unless u are completely retarded

Greus

11-01-2009, 02:15 PM

Something they could change though is the stacking with riftshards and puppetmasters own crit ability that makes for some ridic 1.5k crits with the right items

Stoneskin

11-01-2009, 04:30 PM

Puppetmaster:
- Whiplash's bonus damage is now dealt via a critical strike
* This prevents it from stacking with other critical strike items. Note that you have multiple critical strike sources that proc on the same attack, you will automatically use your most powerful critical strike.
In the patch notes from 1.51 which was released yesterday. :rolleyes:

Brallan

11-03-2009, 07:07 AM

Puppetmaster:
- Whiplash's bonus damage is now dealt via a critical strike
* This prevents it from stacking with other critical strike items. Note that you have multiple critical strike sources that proc on the same attack, you will automatically use your most powerful critical strike.

In the patch notes from 1.51 which was released yesterday. :rolleyes:

are they doing this to scout aswell?

Nez

11-03-2009, 08:03 AM

are they doing this to scout aswell?

yes